I think line-move-visual is great for common usage. It seems to me the problem of users with this new setting is mainly in keyboard macros. Why not disable line-move-visual when typing or replaying a keyboard macro, since in most case the user want the action to be independent of the line it is on ? Kind of a hack, but there's clearly two usages of the line move commands here. 2009/5/14 Teemu Likonen > On 2009-05-13 17:06 (-0700), garyo wrote: > > > Good point, it's important to attract new users, but there are already > > so many ways Emacs differs from any other editor that I'm not sure > > it's worth breaking existing keyboard macros that have worked for > > years [...] > > Hmm, does somebody really expect keyboard macros to work reliably over > years? (Even if they may have worked in some cases.) Well, I have used > Emacs less than year but I see macros more like temporary helpers. > > I'll have line-move-visual turned on from the day I upgrade to Emacs 23, > regardless of the default. I think it's the normal behavior in text > editors and pretty much in all text editing and thus it's sensible > default. Long-timers with their years-old keyboard macros do know how to > deal with Emacs configuration. > > >