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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -39 X-Spam_score: -4.0 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.0 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, NICE_REPLY_A=-2.469, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255237 Archived-At: On 11.09.2020 13:36, Arthur Miller wrote: > Which distro does disable menus and toolbars in a text editor by > default? I don't even know of a distro that offers Emacs as a default > text editor. This is about "Emacs distros" like Spacemacs, Doom and Prelude. > In some distros Emacs is only the "community effort", not > even packaged by distro developers. Anyway, if users choose such a > distro, which is not some of mainstream distros I guess, then they are > probably aware and experienced enough to sort out things for themselves > and enable Emacs gui if they wish, or they should be left to explore it > by themselves. I tend to agree. But all popular "Emacs distros" do that. So there's really not much alternative for users who would like something different than the "vanilla" experience.