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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:274815 Archived-At: On 16.09.2021 14:39, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Cc: Eli Zaretskii, Stefan Kangas, >> juri@linkov.net,rudalics@gmx.at,larsi@gnus.org,emacs-devel@gnu.org >> From: Dmitry Gutov >> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 13:50:32 +0300 >> >>> - We declare something else as the official style. I personally have >>> grown fond of (a subset of) Markdown, so I'd vote for `...` (and >>> encourage extending this to a few more conventions, e.g. so we can >>> distinguish code from prose in comments), but (a subset of) Org style >>> would also make a lot of sense. >> `...` is fine with me, or anything else that looks like markup ('...' >> will result in more annoying false positives). But it will result in a >> lot more work across the board. > Quoting `like this` flies in the face of the main reason why we moved > from `..'. If `..` is okay, we might as well go back to the original > `..'. I do wonder, though, where were these arguments back when > someone, I think Paul Eggert, said that ` looks ugly on modern > terminals, which triggered a lot of changes, in addition to this one. > Was all that in vain? We did enact some changes which weren't disputed by anybody. For example, the display of quotes in messages, errors and Help buffers. Even if we might perhaps switch to a different way of showing those quotes in Help buffers later (e.g. hide the quote chars and rely on different face). Regarding the Markdown style, it might be a matter of interpreting feedback. IIRC the core of Paul's argument was that his students said `..' quoting style appeared old/outdated (basically it looked alien). But Markdown for source files is quite popular, so it stands to reason that PL students might look at it differently. Or that perhaps the backquote itself was not the problem, at least not in source files.