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From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: stefan@marxist.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rudalics@gmx.at,
	monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, larsi@gnus.org, juri@linkov.net
Subject: Re: master ff4de1b: Fix quoting style in Lisp comments
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 17:12:55 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6e55f92b-49cb-252c-98d7-2dc9db4a1c51@yandex.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <838rzwagvy.fsf@gnu.org>

On 16.09.2021 14:39, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> Cc: Eli Zaretskii<eliz@gnu.org>, Stefan Kangas<stefan@marxist.se>,
>>   juri@linkov.net,rudalics@gmx.at,larsi@gnus.org,emacs-devel@gnu.org
>> From: Dmitry Gutov<dgutov@yandex.ru>
>> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 13:50:32 +0300
>>
>>> - We declare something else as the official style.  I personally have
>>>     grown fond of (a subset of) Markdown, so I'd vote for `...` (and
>>>     encourage extending this to a few more conventions, e.g. so we can
>>>     distinguish code from prose in comments), but (a subset of) Org style
>>>     would also make a lot of sense.
>> `...` is fine with me, or anything else that looks like markup ('...'
>> will result in more annoying false positives). But it will result in a
>> lot more work across the board.
> Quoting `like this` flies in the face of the main reason why we moved
> from `..'.  If `..` is okay, we might as well go back to the original
> `..'.  I do wonder, though, where were these arguments back when
> someone, I think Paul Eggert, said that ` looks ugly on modern
> terminals, which triggered a lot of changes, in addition to this one.
> Was all that in vain?

We did enact some changes which weren't disputed by anybody. For 
example, the display of quotes in messages, errors and Help buffers.

Even if we might perhaps switch to a different way of showing those 
quotes in Help buffers later (e.g. hide the quote chars and rely on 
different face).

Regarding the Markdown style, it might be a matter of interpreting 
feedback. IIRC the core of Paul's argument was that his students said 
`..' quoting style appeared old/outdated (basically it looked alien).

But Markdown for source files is quite popular, so it stands to reason 
that PL students might look at it differently. Or that perhaps the 
backquote itself was not the problem, at least not in source files.



  reply	other threads:[~2021-09-16 14:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 159+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <20210912165143.5BC1E20A5E@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org>
2021-09-12 22:42   ` master ff4de1b: Fix quoting style in Lisp comments Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-13  8:06     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-13 12:01       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-14  2:14         ` Phil Sainty
2021-09-13 11:34     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-13 11:41       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-13 12:23         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-13 12:36         ` martin rudalics
2021-09-13 16:53           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-13 18:25             ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-15  9:27               ` martin rudalics
2021-09-15 12:42                 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-15 18:46                   ` martin rudalics
2021-09-15 16:02                 ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-15 16:30                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-15 18:07                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-15 18:16                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-15 18:20                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-15 21:12                           ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-15 18:40                         ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-15 18:52                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-15 20:01                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-15 20:15                               ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-15 21:24                                 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-16  5:08                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-16 10:39                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-16 12:32                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-16 12:53                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-16 13:37                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-16 23:20                                           ` Phil Sainty
2021-09-18  0:15                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-16 16:19                                         ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-17 14:12                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-17 15:58                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-17 19:21                                             ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-18  5:42                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-18  8:17                                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-18  8:26                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-18 13:30                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-18 13:34                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-18 16:03                                                 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-18 16:13                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-18 16:52                                                     ` Drew Adams
2021-09-18 16:54                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-18 17:07                                                         ` Drew Adams
2021-09-16 13:31                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-16 16:20                                         ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-16 14:15                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-16 14:18                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-16 15:22                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-16 16:20                                         ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-17  9:17                                       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-09-17 10:26                                         ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-17 10:39                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-17 22:46                                             ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-18  6:19                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-18  7:32                                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2021-09-18  8:20                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-18  8:37                                                     ` Adam Sjøgren
2021-09-18  8:44                                                     ` Gregory Heytings
2021-09-18  8:48                                                     ` Yuri Khan
2021-09-18 11:50                                                       ` Phil Sainty
2021-09-18 11:54                                                         ` Yuri Khan
2021-09-18 16:03                                                           ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-18 16:02                                                         ` Drew Adams
2021-09-18 16:02                                                       ` Drew Adams
2021-09-18 16:01                                                     ` Drew Adams
2021-09-18 16:01                                                   ` Drew Adams
2021-09-18  8:17                                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-18  8:25                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-18  9:18                                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-18 11:00                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-18 16:02                                                     ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-18  9:28                                                   ` Yuri Khan
2021-09-18 10:05                                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-18 10:27                                                       ` Yuri Khan
2021-09-18 10:51                                                         ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-18 18:40                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-18 18:56                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-18 19:34                                                               ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-18 23:22                                                                 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-19  5:44                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-19 10:00                                                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-19 17:30                                                                     ` Drew Adams
2021-09-19 17:42                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-19 17:54                                                                         ` Drew Adams
2021-09-21 14:38                                                                           ` Jean Louis
2021-09-21 17:04                                                                             ` tomas
2021-09-21 17:09                                                                               ` tomas
2021-09-24 20:42                                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-19  5:30                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-17 10:55                                           ` Gregory Heytings
2021-09-17 11:16                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-17 11:30                                               ` Gregory Heytings
2021-09-17 12:11                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-17 12:30                                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-09-17 16:21                                                     ` Yuri Khan
2021-09-17 16:40                                                       ` João Távora
2021-09-17 16:44                                                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-09-17 17:47                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-17 18:42                                                         ` Yuri Khan
2021-09-17 18:51                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-17 19:14                                                       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-09-17 19:22                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-17 20:32                                                           ` Manuel Giraud
2021-09-17 22:16                                                             ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-18 13:45                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-18 16:03                                                               ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-18 17:25                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-18 17:46                                                                   ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-18 23:11                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-18 23:22                                                                   ` Drew Adams
2021-09-19 12:26                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-18  5:43                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-18  8:33                                                             ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-18  8:53                                                               ` Gregory Heytings
2021-09-17 18:09                                                   ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-17 18:09                                           ` Drew Adams
2021-09-16 16:18                                   ` Drew Adams
2021-09-16 10:50                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-16 11:39                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-16 14:12                                     ` Dmitry Gutov [this message]
2021-09-16 16:20                                       ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-16 16:18                                     ` Drew Adams
2021-09-16 11:25                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-17  0:16                                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-17  0:27                                   ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-09-17  6:34                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-17 10:44                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-17 11:11                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-17 11:25                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-17 12:09                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-17 12:38                                             ` Phil Sainty
2021-09-17 12:59                                               ` Tassilo Horn
2021-09-17 15:45                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-17 13:07                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-17 13:44                                               ` João Távora
2021-09-17 15:49                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-17 16:33                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-17 18:10                                               ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-17 13:18                                           ` Amin Bandali
2021-09-17 18:09                                       ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-16  4:53                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-16  8:51                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-16  9:11                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-16 10:34                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-16 11:35                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-16 13:38                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-15 18:48                     ` martin rudalics
2021-09-15 19:05                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-16  6:56                         ` martin rudalics
2021-09-16  7:11                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-16 16:18                             ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-13 11:51       ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-13 12:05         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-13 12:28           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-13 12:29             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-13 12:26         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-13 12:56           ` Dmitry Gutov

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