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Location : parse_addr6(), p0f-client.c:67 X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::42a X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248520 Archived-At: On 02.05.2020 20:00, Arthur Miller wrote: > I don't know, but it > seems like both Vi(m) & Emacs have got a revival lately. That's true for FOSS editors in general, though. We didn't have so many good options before.