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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:283210 Archived-At: On 25.12.2021 15:06, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Cc: stefankangas@gmail.com, luangruo@yahoo.com, drew.adams@oracle.com, >> emacs-devel@gnu.org >> From: Dmitry Gutov >> Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2021 13:57:40 +0200 >> >>> So you'd suggest to the OP to develop the software in the hope that >>> all of the above will happen? And if it doesn't, just agree for the >>> results to be abandoned? The OP would have to agree to that. >> >> I suppose. >> >> And I think the BeOS port had been accepted under the same conditions >> recently. > > Because we did have someone who volunteered, and because nothing would > be lost on platforms of interest to us if the BeOS port bitrots. Which would be also true when someone initially proposes the new "single toolkit" port for inclusion. >>> And I fail to see how that solves the long-term maintenance problem, >>> once we do accept the code. This happened in the past, more than >>> once. >> >> We should be able to drop unmaintained ports. > > Once again, a single toolkit on which all the platforms depend cannot > be dropped. So it's a huge difference from the BeOS port. Once again: we would only get to that point after the "single toolkit" port is functional, accepted by the majority of us, and probably "adopted" by a few regular contributors as their area of interest. Only then we could realistically vote to drop all other ports. I'm sure a contributor who would propose such new port would understand all of this. >> Even if we're reluctant, in general, to remove features that someone >> is using. After all, the history of changes is saved, so as soon as >> a volunteer arrives to resurrect it, they can start with 'git >> revert' and continue. > > That's generally not a practical possibility, because the code changes > very rapidly, and what you revert won't even compile in most cases. Yes and no: I'm sure having the previous code available will be a lot of help. As opposed to rewriting the same port from scratch.