From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: New multi-command facility displays in the wrong echo area. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257328 Archived-At: > It is quite unusual to leave an active minibuffer > and switch to another frame to start an Isearch. It's not unusual at all, for me. I often have an open minibuffer while I move to other buffers and perform various actions before returning to the minibuffer and finishing with it. And most often those buffers are, yes, in windows on other frames. This includes using minibuffer keys that let me explore elsewhere, and may themselves open recursive minibuffers, using Isearch in any buffer, including but not limited to, the minibuffer itself (which for me is in its own frame) and *Completions* (which for me is also in its own frame). My use (and Icicles use generally) may not be "typical", but (1) it's very useful to be able to do this, and (2) it's always been possible to do it, before now (since Day One). I don't yet use Emacs 27, but this sounds like a very limiting regression, and one that isn't compensated by any gain.