* New bug tracker server @ 2009-11-10 1:20 Chong Yidong 2009-11-10 2:09 ` Glenn Morris ` (6 more replies) 0 siblings, 7 replies; 38+ messages in thread From: Chong Yidong @ 2009-11-10 1:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-devel; +Cc: don I have set up the new bugtracker at debbugs.gnu.org. At the moment, it contains a copy of the emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com bug database extracted a few minutes ago (including the spam), plus a couple of test messages. Please test this server out. If there are no problems over the next day or so, I will resync to emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com, and we can begin the process of moving to this server (and cleaning up some of the spam). Who handled redirecting the Emacs bugs mailing list the last time? Are there any pitfalls in the redirection that I should be aware of? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 38+ messages in thread
* Re: New bug tracker server 2009-11-10 1:20 New bug tracker server Chong Yidong @ 2009-11-10 2:09 ` Glenn Morris 2009-11-10 2:50 ` Chong Yidong 2009-11-10 2:22 ` Glenn Morris ` (5 subsequent siblings) 6 siblings, 1 reply; 38+ messages in thread From: Glenn Morris @ 2009-11-10 2:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Chong Yidong; +Cc: emacs-devel Chong Yidong wrote: > I have set up the new bugtracker at debbugs.gnu.org. You rock! However, I am unable to submit any bugs. Mail sent (from fencepost) to either submit or quiet @ debbugs.gnu.org just bounces back: submit@debbugs.gnu.org SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<submit@debbugs.gnu.org>: host fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]: 550 Unrouteable address ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 38+ messages in thread
* Re: New bug tracker server 2009-11-10 2:09 ` Glenn Morris @ 2009-11-10 2:50 ` Chong Yidong 2009-11-10 3:25 ` Glenn Morris 0 siblings, 1 reply; 38+ messages in thread From: Chong Yidong @ 2009-11-10 2:50 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Glenn Morris; +Cc: emacs-devel Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> writes: > I am unable to submit any bugs. Mail sent (from fencepost) to either > submit or quiet @ debbugs.gnu.org just bounces back: > > submit@debbugs.gnu.org > SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<submit@debbugs.gnu.org>: > host fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]: 550 Unrouteable address Strange, I have not encountered any problems. I tried again just now, and managed to submit http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=4898 without any error. Another submission from my Gmail account worked too. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 38+ messages in thread
* Re: New bug tracker server 2009-11-10 2:50 ` Chong Yidong @ 2009-11-10 3:25 ` Glenn Morris 2009-11-10 19:48 ` Glenn Morris 0 siblings, 1 reply; 38+ messages in thread From: Glenn Morris @ 2009-11-10 3:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Chong Yidong; +Cc: emacs-devel Chong Yidong wrote: >> host fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]: 550 Unrouteable address > > Strange, I have not encountered any problems. I tried again just now, > and managed to submit http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=4898 > without any error. I sent a bug from another email address and that worked. I think the above error message means that my mail reached debbugs, which then tried to do some kind of verification on fencepost.gnu.org, and failed. So debbugs.gnu.org must have some stricter checking turned on than eg, the emacs mailing lists, or the old emacsbugs server. Could this be turned off? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 38+ messages in thread
* Re: New bug tracker server 2009-11-10 3:25 ` Glenn Morris @ 2009-11-10 19:48 ` Glenn Morris 0 siblings, 0 replies; 38+ messages in thread From: Glenn Morris @ 2009-11-10 19:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Chong Yidong; +Cc: emacs-devel Glenn Morris wrote: > I think the above error message means that my mail reached debbugs, > which then tried to do some kind of verification on fencepost.gnu.org, > and failed. Actually, it turned out that the issue was on fencepost rather than debbugs (/etc/exim4/local_domains needed a line "!debbugs.gnu.org" adding). Thanks to sysadmin@gnu, this is now fixed. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 38+ messages in thread
* Re: New bug tracker server 2009-11-10 1:20 New bug tracker server Chong Yidong 2009-11-10 2:09 ` Glenn Morris @ 2009-11-10 2:22 ` Glenn Morris 2009-11-10 2:47 ` Chong Yidong ` (2 more replies) 2009-11-10 18:10 ` New bug tracker server Andrey Paramonov ` (4 subsequent siblings) 6 siblings, 3 replies; 38+ messages in thread From: Glenn Morris @ 2009-11-10 2:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Chong Yidong; +Cc: emacs-devel Chong Yidong wrote: > If there are no problems over the next day or so, I will resync to > emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com, and we can begin the process of moving > to this server (and cleaning up some of the spam). More generally, how do you envisage this working from then on? These questions don't all need answering right away: Will it be possible for all Emacs developers to get direct access to the database, eg so that we can share the load of weeding out spam in future? How should we go about editing the web-pages so that they make more sense for Emacs (bug#750)? Ideally, it would work in a similar way to the existing Emacs web-pages stored in the repository on Savannah. Any ideas about moderating the input (bug#3140)? How about changing the debbugs program itself (eg bug#3060)? Do you think this is doable and/or wise? I think there is a problem with the mail-news gateway that needs addressing somehow (bug#936). ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 38+ messages in thread
* Re: New bug tracker server 2009-11-10 2:22 ` Glenn Morris @ 2009-11-10 2:47 ` Chong Yidong 2009-11-10 7:23 ` Jan D. 2009-11-10 17:40 ` Stefan Monnier 2 siblings, 0 replies; 38+ messages in thread From: Chong Yidong @ 2009-11-10 2:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Glenn Morris; +Cc: emacs-devel Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> writes: > Will it be possible for all Emacs developers to get direct access to > the database, eg so that we can share the load of weeding out spam in > future? Yes, once we are up and running, I would like to give direct access to any Emacs developer who is a frequent, reliable contributor and interested in helping to weed out the spam. > How should we go about editing the web-pages so that they make more > sense for Emacs (bug#750)? Ideally, it would work in a similar way to > the existing Emacs web-pages stored in the repository on Savannah. This just involves editing the web-page directly. We have root access on debbugs.gnu.org. > Any ideas about moderating the input (bug#3140)? I am curious about this, myself. I am not 100% clear about how the mail redirection works, so hopefully one of the hackers who helped set it up can chime in. > How about changing the debbugs program itself (eg bug#3060)? Do you > think this is doable and/or wise? > > I think there is a problem with the mail-news gateway that needs > addressing somehow (bug#936). No idea. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 38+ messages in thread
* Re: New bug tracker server 2009-11-10 2:22 ` Glenn Morris 2009-11-10 2:47 ` Chong Yidong @ 2009-11-10 7:23 ` Jan D. 2009-11-10 17:40 ` Stefan Monnier 2 siblings, 0 replies; 38+ messages in thread From: Jan D. @ 2009-11-10 7:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Glenn Morris; +Cc: Chong Yidong, emacs-devel While we are wishing for things... Is it possible to get a better search? I.e. be able to search in the body of submitted bugs. Also, a button to go to the advanced search page at once would be nice. That is the page you come to if you for example type Find bugs by (x) package ... What to search for: kaka and then press Find (i.e. a failed search). I haven't found a direct URL to that page. Jan D. On 2009-11-10 03:22, Glenn Morris wrote: > Chong Yidong wrote: > >> If there are no problems over the next day or so, I will resync to >> emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com, and we can begin the process of moving >> to this server (and cleaning up some of the spam). > > More generally, how do you envisage this working from then on? > > These questions don't all need answering right away: > > Will it be possible for all Emacs developers to get direct access to > the database, eg so that we can share the load of weeding out spam in > future? > > How should we go about editing the web-pages so that they make more > sense for Emacs (bug#750)? Ideally, it would work in a similar way to > the existing Emacs web-pages stored in the repository on Savannah. > > Any ideas about moderating the input (bug#3140)? > > How about changing the debbugs program itself (eg bug#3060)? Do you > think this is doable and/or wise? > > I think there is a problem with the mail-news gateway that needs > addressing somehow (bug#936). > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 38+ messages in thread
* Re: New bug tracker server 2009-11-10 2:22 ` Glenn Morris 2009-11-10 2:47 ` Chong Yidong 2009-11-10 7:23 ` Jan D. @ 2009-11-10 17:40 ` Stefan Monnier 2009-11-25 18:13 ` bug mail-news gateway [was Re: New bug tracker server] Glenn Morris 2 siblings, 1 reply; 38+ messages in thread From: Stefan Monnier @ 2009-11-10 17:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-devel Thank you very much for setting up this debbugs instance. > How should we go about editing the web-pages so that they make more > sense for Emacs (bug#750)? Ideally, it would work in a similar way to > the existing Emacs web-pages stored in the repository on Savannah. We could arrange to store them under bzr.sv.gnu.org and refresh them occasionally on debbugs.gnu.org from there. > How about changing the debbugs program itself (eg bug#3060)? Do you > think this is doable and/or wise? Yes, I think it would be good. There's a lot to improve, but some of the changes can be easy to do (e.g. patches rejected upstream but available in debbug's own bug tracker). We should setup a local branch of debbugs for it, so we can track the upstream code, of course. > I think there is a problem with the mail-news gateway that needs > addressing somehow (bug#936). Unrelated rant: I've been a fervent usenet user for many years, but I must say I find it more and more difficut to access usenet: even my university's CS department (i.e. where I work) doesn't provide usenet access any more. I think usenet is sadly dying, replaced by mailing-lists and crappy web-forums. Stefan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 38+ messages in thread
* bug mail-news gateway [was Re: New bug tracker server] 2009-11-10 17:40 ` Stefan Monnier @ 2009-11-25 18:13 ` Glenn Morris 0 siblings, 0 replies; 38+ messages in thread From: Glenn Morris @ 2009-11-25 18:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: emacs-devel Stefan Monnier wrote: >> I think there is a problem with the mail-news gateway that needs >> addressing somehow (bug#936). > > Unrelated rant: I've been a fervent usenet user for many years, but > I must say I find it more and more difficut to access usenet: even my > university's CS department (i.e. where I work) doesn't provide usenet > access any more. I think usenet is sadly dying, replaced by > mailing-lists and crappy web-forums. Amen. If no-one can come up with a fix for #936, however, I think it would be acceptable to make the gateway one-way, mail->news only. I don't think people need to be able to report bugs via usenet. For those who want to do so, gmane exists. This problem continues to happen, resulting in information loss. For example today: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnu-emacs/2009-11/msg00578.html was sent via the bug newsgroup. It appeared on the bug mailing list, but not in the tracker: http://emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=4883 It seems worth thinking about this while the issue of how to get mail into the tracker is on the table. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 38+ messages in thread
* Re: New bug tracker server 2009-11-10 1:20 New bug tracker server Chong Yidong 2009-11-10 2:09 ` Glenn Morris 2009-11-10 2:22 ` Glenn Morris @ 2009-11-10 18:10 ` Andrey Paramonov 2009-11-10 18:17 ` Stefan Monnier ` (3 subsequent siblings) 6 siblings, 0 replies; 38+ messages in thread From: Andrey Paramonov @ 2009-11-10 18:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-devel Hello! http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=359 fails for me with the following error message: An error occurred. Error was: Bad bug log for bug 359. Unable to read records: bad line 'From ottomaddox@fastmail.fm Wed Jun 4 07:07:34 2008' in state incoming-recv at /usr/share/perl5/Debbugs/Log.pm line 256, line 137. Andrey Paramonov ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 38+ messages in thread
* Re: New bug tracker server 2009-11-10 1:20 New bug tracker server Chong Yidong ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2009-11-10 18:10 ` New bug tracker server Andrey Paramonov @ 2009-11-10 18:17 ` Stefan Monnier 2009-11-10 21:42 ` Glenn Morris 2009-11-11 22:24 ` Daniel Clemente ` (2 subsequent siblings) 6 siblings, 1 reply; 38+ messages in thread From: Stefan Monnier @ 2009-11-10 18:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Chong Yidong; +Cc: don, emacs-devel > Who handled redirecting the Emacs bugs mailing list the last time? Someone at savannah-hackers, but I can't remember who. Don? > Are there any pitfalls in the redirection that I should be aware of? The redirection is loop-prone, so you have to make sure you only redirect email which you know for sure hasn't gone through you already. Stefan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 38+ messages in thread
* Re: New bug tracker server 2009-11-10 18:17 ` Stefan Monnier @ 2009-11-10 21:42 ` Glenn Morris 0 siblings, 0 replies; 38+ messages in thread From: Glenn Morris @ 2009-11-10 21:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: Chong Yidong, don, emacs-devel Stefan Monnier wrote: >> Who handled redirecting the Emacs bugs mailing list the last time? > > Someone at savannah-hackers, but I can't remember who. Don? This seems to be the relevant thread: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/savannah-hackers/2008-03/msg00074.html http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/savannah-hackers/2008-04/msg00034.html It seems GNU RT#359140 may be the reference ticket. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 38+ messages in thread
* Re: New bug tracker server 2009-11-10 1:20 New bug tracker server Chong Yidong ` (3 preceding siblings ...) 2009-11-10 18:17 ` Stefan Monnier @ 2009-11-11 22:24 ` Daniel Clemente 2009-11-14 3:14 ` Chong Yidong 2009-11-18 0:20 ` Chong Yidong 6 siblings, 0 replies; 38+ messages in thread From: Daniel Clemente @ 2009-11-11 22:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-devel El mar, nov 10 2009 a les 02:20, Chong Yidong va escriure: > I have set up the new bugtracker at debbugs.gnu.org. At the moment, it http://debbugs.gnu.org/ seems to be the URL for GNU's generic web tracker. Could Emacs use a specific URL, like http://debbugs.gnu.org/emacs/ or http://emacs.debbugs.gnu.org/ We can suppose that more GNU projects will want to use http://debbugs.gnu.org/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 38+ messages in thread
* Re: New bug tracker server 2009-11-10 1:20 New bug tracker server Chong Yidong ` (4 preceding siblings ...) 2009-11-11 22:24 ` Daniel Clemente @ 2009-11-14 3:14 ` Chong Yidong 2009-11-18 0:20 ` Chong Yidong 6 siblings, 0 replies; 38+ messages in thread From: Chong Yidong @ 2009-11-14 3:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-devel The bug tracker server is currently not working. The debbugs scripts were crashing, apparently because we weren't allocated enough memory. I'll email the FSF admins, and let everyone know when it's working again. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 38+ messages in thread
* Re: New bug tracker server 2009-11-10 1:20 New bug tracker server Chong Yidong ` (5 preceding siblings ...) 2009-11-14 3:14 ` Chong Yidong @ 2009-11-18 0:20 ` Chong Yidong 2009-11-18 1:01 ` Karl Fogel ` (4 more replies) 6 siblings, 5 replies; 38+ messages in thread From: Chong Yidong @ 2009-11-18 0:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-devel; +Cc: don I have finished setting up the new bug tracker, and it's almost ready to use now. Everyone who's interested, please give it a try. The system is set up as follows. 1. All email sent to submit@debbugs.gnu.org, 1234@debbugs.gnu.org, etc., from the external world (i.e., from non-debbugs.gnu.org senders) is redirected by the mail server to a private mailing list, debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org. (When we go live, we'll redirect bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org so that it behave exactly like sending to submit@debbugs.gnu.org, just like the way it goes to emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com at the moment.) 2. The debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org mailing list is moderated. Once accepted, the mail is sent to the debbugs scripts (this involves a hack to debbugs that I can discuss in greater detail if anyone is interested). 3. Once the debbugs scripts pick up the moderated email, it's entered into the database. 4. The email is forwarded to the bug-gnu-emacs-test@debbugs.gnu.org mailing list. (When we go live, this will be switched to bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org.) This mailing list can be viewed here: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnu-emacs-test When we go live, the bug-gnu-emacs list should only accept mails originating from debbugs.gnu.org. External mail goes to debbugs.gnu.org, as indicated in step 1. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 38+ messages in thread
* Re: New bug tracker server 2009-11-18 0:20 ` Chong Yidong @ 2009-11-18 1:01 ` Karl Fogel 2009-11-18 3:30 ` Chong Yidong 2009-11-18 1:26 ` Stefan Monnier ` (3 subsequent siblings) 4 siblings, 1 reply; 38+ messages in thread From: Karl Fogel @ 2009-11-18 1:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Chong Yidong; +Cc: don, emacs-devel Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com> writes: > I have finished setting up the new bug tracker, and it's almost ready to > use now. Everyone who's interested, please give it a try. Thank you! Will all the existing bugs be migrated? (I may have missed an earlier statement about this...) -Karl > The system is set up as follows. > > 1. All email sent to submit@debbugs.gnu.org, 1234@debbugs.gnu.org, etc., > from the external world (i.e., from non-debbugs.gnu.org senders) is > redirected by the mail server to a private mailing list, > debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org. > > (When we go live, we'll redirect bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org so that it > behave exactly like sending to submit@debbugs.gnu.org, just like the > way it goes to emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com at the moment.) > > 2. The debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org mailing list is moderated. Once > accepted, the mail is sent to the debbugs scripts (this involves a > hack to debbugs that I can discuss in greater detail if anyone is > interested). > > 3. Once the debbugs scripts pick up the moderated email, it's entered > into the database. > > 4. The email is forwarded to the bug-gnu-emacs-test@debbugs.gnu.org > mailing list. (When we go live, this will be switched to > bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org.) This mailing list can be viewed here: > > http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnu-emacs-test > > When we go live, the bug-gnu-emacs list should only accept mails > originating from debbugs.gnu.org. External mail goes to > debbugs.gnu.org, as indicated in step 1. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 38+ messages in thread
* Re: New bug tracker server 2009-11-18 1:01 ` Karl Fogel @ 2009-11-18 3:30 ` Chong Yidong 2009-11-18 17:22 ` Xavier Maillard 2009-11-18 17:54 ` Stefan Monnier 0 siblings, 2 replies; 38+ messages in thread From: Chong Yidong @ 2009-11-18 3:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Karl Fogel; +Cc: don, emacs-devel Karl Fogel <kfogel@red-bean.com> writes: > Thank you! Will all the existing bugs be migrated? (I may have missed > an earlier statement about this...) Yes. (The database at debbugs.gnu.org already has a copy of the emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com database). ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 38+ messages in thread
* Re: New bug tracker server 2009-11-18 3:30 ` Chong Yidong @ 2009-11-18 17:22 ` Xavier Maillard 2009-11-18 17:54 ` Stefan Monnier 1 sibling, 0 replies; 38+ messages in thread From: Xavier Maillard @ 2009-11-18 17:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Chong Yidong; +Cc: kfogel, don, emacs-devel Karl Fogel <kfogel@red-bean.com> writes: > Thank you! Will all the existing bugs be migrated? (I may have missed > an earlier statement about this...) Yes. (The database at debbugs.gnu.org already has a copy of the emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com database). That's great news ! Thank you for your efforts. Xavier -- http://www.gnu.org http://www.april.org http://www.lolica.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 38+ messages in thread
* Re: New bug tracker server 2009-11-18 3:30 ` Chong Yidong 2009-11-18 17:22 ` Xavier Maillard @ 2009-11-18 17:54 ` Stefan Monnier 2009-11-18 18:50 ` Chong Yidong 2009-12-01 3:22 ` Glenn Morris 1 sibling, 2 replies; 38+ messages in thread From: Stefan Monnier @ 2009-11-18 17:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Chong Yidong; +Cc: Karl Fogel, don, emacs-devel When I browse http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/pkgreport.cgi?which=pkg&data=emacs I notice that all bugs with number smaller than #1570 (or thereabout) give me errors when I try to view them, e.g.: trying to access http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=850: An error occurred. Error was: Bad bug log for bug 850. Unable to read records: bad line 'From tim.vanholder@gmail.com Mon Sep 1 03:15:46 2008' in state incoming-recv at /usr/share/perl5/Debbugs/Log.pm line 256, line 143. Has the format changed over time and the new code has trouble with the old format? Stefan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 38+ messages in thread
* Re: New bug tracker server 2009-11-18 17:54 ` Stefan Monnier @ 2009-11-18 18:50 ` Chong Yidong 2009-12-01 3:22 ` Glenn Morris 1 sibling, 0 replies; 38+ messages in thread From: Chong Yidong @ 2009-11-18 18:50 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: Karl Fogel, don, emacs-devel Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes: > When I browse http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/pkgreport.cgi?which=pkg&data=emacs > I notice that all bugs with number smaller than #1570 (or thereabout) > give me errors when I try to view them, e.g.: > > trying to access http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=850: > > An error occurred. Error was: Bad bug log for bug 850. Unable to read > records: bad line 'From tim.vanholder@gmail.com Mon Sep 1 03:15:46 > 2008' in state incoming-recv at /usr/share/perl5/Debbugs/Log.pm line > 256, line 143. > > Has the format changed over time and the new code has trouble with the > old format? That's my suspicion. It's possible to go back in update the database manually, removing a few lines per bug entry, to prevent the scripts from barfing; or to change the scripts to avoid signalling that error. So this isn't a big problem. I'm using the version of debbugs from Don Armstrong's bzr repository, because older versions of debbugs won't even read the emacsbugs database. I'm not sure why the emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com server can display the old-format bugs, though. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 38+ messages in thread
* Re: New bug tracker server 2009-11-18 17:54 ` Stefan Monnier 2009-11-18 18:50 ` Chong Yidong @ 2009-12-01 3:22 ` Glenn Morris 1 sibling, 0 replies; 38+ messages in thread From: Glenn Morris @ 2009-12-01 3:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: Chong Yidong, emacs-devel Stefan Monnier wrote: > trying to access http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=850: > > An error occurred. Error was: Bad bug log for bug 850. Unable to read records: bad line 'From tim.vanholder@gmail.com Mon Sep 1 03:15:46 2008' in state incoming-recv at /usr/share/perl5/Debbugs/Log.pm line 256, line 143. I simply commented out the line giving this error (in Log.pm), and it seems to work fine. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 38+ messages in thread
* Re: New bug tracker server 2009-11-18 0:20 ` Chong Yidong 2009-11-18 1:01 ` Karl Fogel @ 2009-11-18 1:26 ` Stefan Monnier 2009-11-18 16:58 ` Glenn Morris ` (2 subsequent siblings) 4 siblings, 0 replies; 38+ messages in thread From: Stefan Monnier @ 2009-11-18 1:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Chong Yidong; +Cc: don, emacs-devel > 1. All email sent to submit@debbugs.gnu.org, 1234@debbugs.gnu.org, etc., > from the external world (i.e., from non-debbugs.gnu.org senders) is > redirected by the mail server to a private mailing list, > debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org. > (When we go live, we'll redirect bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org so that it > behave exactly like sending to submit@debbugs.gnu.org, just like the > way it goes to emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com at the moment.) IIUC the @gnu.org mailing lists use a specially setup moderation system that weeds out spam for all mailing-lists at once, so it would be good if the internal mailing-list were one of the @gnu.org ones so as to benefit from it. If someone knows more about it (Eli maybe?), please shed some light on this. Stefan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 38+ messages in thread
* Re: New bug tracker server 2009-11-18 0:20 ` Chong Yidong 2009-11-18 1:01 ` Karl Fogel 2009-11-18 1:26 ` Stefan Monnier @ 2009-11-18 16:58 ` Glenn Morris 2009-11-18 17:04 ` Chong Yidong 2009-11-20 22:29 ` Glenn Morris 2009-11-24 21:24 ` Glenn Morris 4 siblings, 1 reply; 38+ messages in thread From: Glenn Morris @ 2009-11-18 16:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Chong Yidong; +Cc: emacs-devel Chong Yidong wrote: > I have finished setting up the new bug tracker, and it's almost ready to > use now. Everyone who's interested, please give it a try. Many thanks for working on this. Apologies for repeating myself, but as I said off-list the configuration seems to be a little different from the old server. Severities "important" and "serious" are not understood at all, eg: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=4953 and severity minor shows up as "unknown severity": http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/pkgreport.cgi?newest=100;package=emacs see 4920, 4927 We probably don't need so many severity levels, but they have been used. In the individual bug web-pages, eg http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=4951 "useless messages" seem to be on by default rather than off. The package "emacs" is not defined, which is probably not important, but again represents a difference from the old server. I got a slightly lengthy message in response to a test control message. The parts about "fixed" and "found" don't make sense to me. > reassign 4951 emacs,ns Bug #4951 [emacs] test Warning: Unknown package 'emacs' bug reassigned from package 'emacs' to 'emacs,ns'. Warning: Unknown package 'emacs' Warning: Unknown package 'ns' Bug #4951 [emacs,ns] test Warning: Unknown package 'emacs' Warning: Unknown package 'ns' Ignoring request to alter found versions of bug #4951 to the same values previously set Warning: Unknown package 'emacs' Warning: Unknown package 'ns' Bug #4951 [emacs,ns] test Warning: Unknown package 'emacs' Warning: Unknown package 'ns' Ignoring request to alter fixed versions of bug #4951 to the same values previously set Warning: Unknown package 'emacs' Warning: Unknown package 'ns' > severity 4952 important Severity level `important' is not known. Recognized are: critical, grave, normal, minor, wishlist. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 38+ messages in thread
* Re: New bug tracker server 2009-11-18 16:58 ` Glenn Morris @ 2009-11-18 17:04 ` Chong Yidong 2009-11-19 8:22 ` Glenn Morris 0 siblings, 1 reply; 38+ messages in thread From: Chong Yidong @ 2009-11-18 17:04 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Glenn Morris; +Cc: emacs-devel Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> writes: > Severities "important" and "serious" are not understood at all, eg: > > http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=4953 I think you can customize this in /etc/debbugs/config I'll take a look later, or you can go ahead and try to change this yourself. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 38+ messages in thread
* Re: New bug tracker server 2009-11-18 17:04 ` Chong Yidong @ 2009-11-19 8:22 ` Glenn Morris 2009-11-19 8:59 ` Glenn Morris 0 siblings, 1 reply; 38+ messages in thread From: Glenn Morris @ 2009-11-19 8:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Chong Yidong; +Cc: emacs-devel Chong Yidong wrote: > I think you can customize this in /etc/debbugs/config > > I'll take a look later, or you can go ahead and try to change this > yourself. OK, I added those severities (I didn't want to mess with it without permission) and it seems to have worked. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 38+ messages in thread
* Re: New bug tracker server 2009-11-19 8:22 ` Glenn Morris @ 2009-11-19 8:59 ` Glenn Morris 0 siblings, 0 replies; 38+ messages in thread From: Glenn Morris @ 2009-11-19 8:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Chong Yidong; +Cc: emacs-devel The cosmetic differences between the web-pages were because it could not find the bugs.css file. As a kludge I linked /var/www/bugs.css to /var/www/css/bugs.css. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 38+ messages in thread
* Re: New bug tracker server 2009-11-18 0:20 ` Chong Yidong ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2009-11-18 16:58 ` Glenn Morris @ 2009-11-20 22:29 ` Glenn Morris 2009-11-20 23:08 ` Chong Yidong 2009-11-24 21:24 ` Glenn Morris 4 siblings, 1 reply; 38+ messages in thread From: Glenn Morris @ 2009-11-20 22:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Chong Yidong; +Cc: emacs-devel By the way, is there a backup scheme in place for the bug database on debbugs.gnu.org? It would be bad to lose it, once it becomes official. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 38+ messages in thread
* Re: New bug tracker server 2009-11-20 22:29 ` Glenn Morris @ 2009-11-20 23:08 ` Chong Yidong 2009-11-23 6:50 ` Glenn Morris 0 siblings, 1 reply; 38+ messages in thread From: Chong Yidong @ 2009-11-20 23:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Glenn Morris; +Cc: emacs-devel Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> writes: > By the way, is there a backup scheme in place for the bug database on > debbugs.gnu.org? It would be bad to lose it, once it becomes official. We could set up a cron job to rsync out the bug data spool to fencepost. I haven't looked too carefully at this, but it's probably not difficult to set up. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 38+ messages in thread
* Re: New bug tracker server 2009-11-20 23:08 ` Chong Yidong @ 2009-11-23 6:50 ` Glenn Morris 0 siblings, 0 replies; 38+ messages in thread From: Glenn Morris @ 2009-11-23 6:50 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Chong Yidong; +Cc: emacs-devel Chong Yidong wrote: >> By the way, is there a backup scheme in place for the bug database on >> debbugs.gnu.org? It would be bad to lose it, once it becomes official. > > We could set up a cron job to rsync out the bug data spool to fencepost. I implemented something very basic that backs-up to ~rgm/debbugs/backup/ on fencepost every 2 hours. I'll try to improve it at some point. I'm backing up: /etc/debbugs /etc/exim4 /etc/apache2 /etc/aliases /etc/crontab /usr/share/perl5/Debbugs /var/lib/debbugs /var/www Let me know if I should add anything else. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 38+ messages in thread
* Re: New bug tracker server 2009-11-18 0:20 ` Chong Yidong ` (3 preceding siblings ...) 2009-11-20 22:29 ` Glenn Morris @ 2009-11-24 21:24 ` Glenn Morris 2009-11-24 22:38 ` Stefan Monnier 4 siblings, 1 reply; 38+ messages in thread From: Glenn Morris @ 2009-11-24 21:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Chong Yidong; +Cc: emacs-devel Chong Yidong wrote: > I have finished setting up the new bug tracker, and it's almost ready to > use now. Everyone who's interested, please give it a try. > > The system is set up as follows. Something is wrong with messages sent to more than one debbugs address at the same time. If I try to send a message to 4957@debbugs, it works. If I try to send a message to control@debbugs, it works. If I try to do both in one message (cc'ing or bcc'ing control), it does not have the desired effect. Instead it ends up creating two new duplicate bug reports. See bugs 4958 through 4965. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 38+ messages in thread
* Re: New bug tracker server 2009-11-24 21:24 ` Glenn Morris @ 2009-11-24 22:38 ` Stefan Monnier 2009-11-25 16:31 ` Chong Yidong 0 siblings, 1 reply; 38+ messages in thread From: Stefan Monnier @ 2009-11-24 22:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Glenn Morris; +Cc: Chong Yidong, emacs-devel >> I have finished setting up the new bug tracker, and it's almost ready to >> use now. Everyone who's interested, please give it a try. >> >> The system is set up as follows. > Something is wrong with messages sent to more than one debbugs address > at the same time. > If I try to send a message to 4957@debbugs, it works. > If I try to send a message to control@debbugs, it works. > If I try to do both in one message (cc'ing or bcc'ing control), it > does not have the desired effect. Instead it ends up creating two new > duplicate bug reports. See bugs 4958 through 4965. Indeed, in that case the destination info in the "Received" header is probably missing. Stefan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 38+ messages in thread
* Re: New bug tracker server 2009-11-24 22:38 ` Stefan Monnier @ 2009-11-25 16:31 ` Chong Yidong 2009-11-25 17:41 ` Stephen J. Turnbull ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 38+ messages in thread From: Chong Yidong @ 2009-11-25 16:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: emacs-devel Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA> writes: >>> I have finished setting up the new bug tracker, and it's almost ready to >>> use now. Everyone who's interested, please give it a try. >>> >>> The system is set up as follows. > >> Something is wrong with messages sent to more than one debbugs address >> at the same time. > >> If I try to send a message to 4957@debbugs, it works. >> If I try to send a message to control@debbugs, it works. > >> If I try to do both in one message (cc'ing or bcc'ing control), it >> does not have the desired effect. Instead it ends up creating two new >> duplicate bug reports. See bugs 4958 through 4965. > > Indeed, in that case the destination info in the "Received" header is > probably missing. Yeah, that's the problem. I'm not sure how to solve this. When you send to, say, 4957-quiet@debbugs, the mail header looks like this: Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1ND2YX-0003mO-6P for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:04:13 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <rgm@gnu.org>) id 1ND2YW-0003mJ-En for 4957-quiet@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:04:12 -0500 Based on the last "for 4957-quiet@debbugs.gnu.org" line, the script knows that the email was sent to 4957-quiet prior to going to the moderation list. When you send to 4957-quiet@debbugs and BCC control@debbugs, the headers get stripped out: Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1ND1u8-0003Wd-24 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:22:28 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <rgm@gnu.org>) id 1ND1u7-0003WT-AY; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:22:27 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from <rgm@gnu.org>) id 1ND1u3-0004qm-49; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:22:23 -0500 I don't know why this happens, but unless someone can think of a fix, it seems we have to either give up the practice of using BCC to manipulate bugs, or abandon moderation via mailing list. Thoughts? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 38+ messages in thread
* Re: New bug tracker server 2009-11-25 16:31 ` Chong Yidong @ 2009-11-25 17:41 ` Stephen J. Turnbull 2009-11-25 17:47 ` Stefan Monnier 2009-11-25 17:58 ` Glenn Morris 2 siblings, 0 replies; 38+ messages in thread From: Stephen J. Turnbull @ 2009-11-25 17:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Chong Yidong; +Cc: Stefan Monnier, emacs-devel Chong Yidong writes: > > Indeed, in that case the destination info in the "Received" header is > > probably missing. > When you send to 4957-quiet@debbugs and BCC control@debbugs, the headers > get stripped out: > Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) > (envelope-from <rgm@gnu.org>) > id 1ND1u3-0004qm-49; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:22:23 -0500 Probably what is happening is that the message is being forwarded from the fencepost MTA to *both* @debbugs addresses in *one* SMTP transaction. Since there's a BCC, you don't want "for <the BCC'd address>" in the headers that find their way to the other addressees. Another possibility is that in a multiple addressee transaction, the MTA doesn't put a list in "for", it ignores it. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 38+ messages in thread
* Re: New bug tracker server 2009-11-25 16:31 ` Chong Yidong 2009-11-25 17:41 ` Stephen J. Turnbull @ 2009-11-25 17:47 ` Stefan Monnier 2009-11-25 18:30 ` Chong Yidong 2009-11-25 17:58 ` Glenn Morris 2 siblings, 1 reply; 38+ messages in thread From: Stefan Monnier @ 2009-11-25 17:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Chong Yidong; +Cc: emacs-devel >> Indeed, in that case the destination info in the "Received" header is >> probably missing. > Yeah, that's the problem. I'm not sure how to solve this. When you Here's an idea: when we receive email detined to <foo>@debbugs.gnu.org, before forwarding it to the mailing-list for moderation, we add a header "X-Debbugs-Envelope-To:" to remember the original destination, so that when the mailing-list sends it back to us, we know what to do with it without having to rely on the unreliable Received: info. Stefan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 38+ messages in thread
* Re: New bug tracker server 2009-11-25 17:47 ` Stefan Monnier @ 2009-11-25 18:30 ` Chong Yidong 2009-11-25 18:37 ` Glenn Morris 0 siblings, 1 reply; 38+ messages in thread From: Chong Yidong @ 2009-11-25 18:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: emacs-devel Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes: > Here's an idea: when we receive email detined to <foo>@debbugs.gnu.org, > before forwarding it to the mailing-list for moderation, we add a header > "X-Debbugs-Envelope-To:" to remember the original destination, so that > when the mailing-list sends it back to us, we know what to do with it > without having to rely on the unreliable Received: info. Great idea. I just implemented it, and it seems to work fine. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 38+ messages in thread
* Re: New bug tracker server 2009-11-25 18:30 ` Chong Yidong @ 2009-11-25 18:37 ` Glenn Morris 0 siblings, 0 replies; 38+ messages in thread From: Glenn Morris @ 2009-11-25 18:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Chong Yidong; +Cc: Stefan Monnier, emacs-devel Chong Yidong wrote: > Great idea. I just implemented it, and it seems to work fine. Thank you! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 38+ messages in thread
* Re: New bug tracker server 2009-11-25 16:31 ` Chong Yidong 2009-11-25 17:41 ` Stephen J. Turnbull 2009-11-25 17:47 ` Stefan Monnier @ 2009-11-25 17:58 ` Glenn Morris 2 siblings, 0 replies; 38+ messages in thread From: Glenn Morris @ 2009-11-25 17:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Chong Yidong; +Cc: Stefan Monnier, emacs-devel Chong Yidong wrote: > I don't know why this happens, but unless someone can think of a fix, it > seems we have to either give up the practice of using BCC to manipulate > bugs, or abandon moderation via mailing list. Thoughts? If there is no fix, personally I would much rather give up BCC. It's a simple restriction, which I think would be easy to remember, and worth the trade-off. The only downsides I can see to not using BCC are minor: i) People may cc the control server on replies by accident. This isn't a big deal, the control server won't understand what they say and will just complain. ii) People may send mail to 1234-done in response to a close notice. This is only an issue if the bug has since been reopened, since it will get closed again. This happens very rarely in my experience. I have never used BCC for a -done address, I often use it for the control server. But not using BCC would not of itself solve this problem, since it currently fails with explicit cc as well, see eg: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=4962 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 38+ messages in thread
end of thread, other threads:[~2009-12-01 3:22 UTC | newest] Thread overview: 38+ messages (download: mbox.gz follow: Atom feed -- links below jump to the message on this page -- 2009-11-10 1:20 New bug tracker server Chong Yidong 2009-11-10 2:09 ` Glenn Morris 2009-11-10 2:50 ` Chong Yidong 2009-11-10 3:25 ` Glenn Morris 2009-11-10 19:48 ` Glenn Morris 2009-11-10 2:22 ` Glenn Morris 2009-11-10 2:47 ` Chong Yidong 2009-11-10 7:23 ` Jan D. 2009-11-10 17:40 ` Stefan Monnier 2009-11-25 18:13 ` bug mail-news gateway [was Re: New bug tracker server] Glenn Morris 2009-11-10 18:10 ` New bug tracker server Andrey Paramonov 2009-11-10 18:17 ` Stefan Monnier 2009-11-10 21:42 ` Glenn Morris 2009-11-11 22:24 ` Daniel Clemente 2009-11-14 3:14 ` Chong Yidong 2009-11-18 0:20 ` Chong Yidong 2009-11-18 1:01 ` Karl Fogel 2009-11-18 3:30 ` Chong Yidong 2009-11-18 17:22 ` Xavier Maillard 2009-11-18 17:54 ` Stefan Monnier 2009-11-18 18:50 ` Chong Yidong 2009-12-01 3:22 ` Glenn Morris 2009-11-18 1:26 ` Stefan Monnier 2009-11-18 16:58 ` Glenn Morris 2009-11-18 17:04 ` Chong Yidong 2009-11-19 8:22 ` Glenn Morris 2009-11-19 8:59 ` Glenn Morris 2009-11-20 22:29 ` Glenn Morris 2009-11-20 23:08 ` Chong Yidong 2009-11-23 6:50 ` Glenn Morris 2009-11-24 21:24 ` Glenn Morris 2009-11-24 22:38 ` Stefan Monnier 2009-11-25 16:31 ` Chong Yidong 2009-11-25 17:41 ` Stephen J. Turnbull 2009-11-25 17:47 ` Stefan Monnier 2009-11-25 18:30 ` Chong Yidong 2009-11-25 18:37 ` Glenn Morris 2009-11-25 17:58 ` Glenn Morris
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