From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: delete-selection-mode as default (WAS: Some developement questions) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 07:53:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6b39f330-1732-427c-8206-b898b056e5be@default> References: <0CCFABF4-0F2B-4DAA-9C8E-11E1254A325E@gmail.com> <834lf0tptp.fsf@gnu.org> <41DF4279-89F4-413A-B3BC-63E9E9E98772@gmail.com> <8336uktk4s.fsf@gnu.org> <20180909131316.GA6047@ACM> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1536504723 14322 195.159.176.226 (9 Sep 2018 14:52:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 14:52:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Bingo , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie , Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 09 16:51:58 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fz14A-0003bi-9L for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Sep 2018 16:51:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47666 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fz16G-0007Kk-Ip for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Sep 2018 10:54:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56073) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fz167-0007Kd-0g for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Sep 2018 10:54:00 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fz165-0000FX-Lu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Sep 2018 10:53:58 -0400 Original-Received: from userp2130.oracle.com ([156.151.31.86]:55596) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fz161-0007jF-19; Sun, 09 Sep 2018 10:53:53 -0400 Original-Received: from pps.filterd (userp2130.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2130.oracle.com (8.16.0.22/8.16.0.22) with SMTP id w89ErotL164900; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 14:53:50 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2018-07-02; bh=xcHvYMTuizvG0Nzjo+JwVWZW2WOvnUrs2d3Fa0c7u1w=; b=V9xrvQilGJN4z18eB2tvoRxUyCYF8SqAoSkTEDXUV4ZZ1V7znvU9fhbtUvTbxHvkuutk db0hU4adMbHCNSnAsObqZDsv4Uup27yjt4+FYrO/XxLMPvOQ9mrqNxsdox3p35rDm+g6 cMCN6vbh9YxdPxrc/Er0Ak2J21+9V6/VtTIyOQcCWtdCiAdT6z63zd2NdRg8M94jbjKy EivfIhN4Yjm27iuLRbQqSvzYuL8g3uGvomU2xzlTySwqUQxc24MhvJpV6MhWtdcMD0so PRCsFByP0hmursESiXTh3SeUAYEv0nPqMfFJ1/Ft+kPmFglvpZWD6agiPGpHiWx4x9yN TA== Original-Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by userp2130.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2mc5ut2kv7-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 09 Sep 2018 14:53:49 +0000 Original-Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w89ErmLC008007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Sep 2018 14:53:48 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0005.oracle.com (abhmp0005.oracle.com [141.146.116.11]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id w89Erl4s015133; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 14:53:47 GMT In-Reply-To: <20180909131316.GA6047@ACM> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4735.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=9011 signatures=668708 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=808 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1807170000 definitions=main-1809090164 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 156.151.31.86 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:229561 Archived-At: > A third situation, in which at least one veteran user (me) cares is when > testing a bug fix with emacs -Q. In such cases, I can get fairly > irritated by, e.g., transient-mark-mode, and would get even more > irritated were delete-selection-mode to be enabled by default. I don't understand. If it were on by default then to repro the user's recipe from emacs -Q you would want to have it on, no? Even now, when it is not on by default, if a user recipe to repro it says to turn on d-s-m you would do that, no? Are you saying that it would annoy you to follow a user's recipe? Yes, if it were on by default then more bug recipes would have it on than off, on average. And if you were to follow a recipe with it on then you might be annoyed - as you are now by t-m-m being on in most recipes.