From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: C-x 8 shorthands for = and = Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 15:33:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6af3a822-e2b7-4291-a791-18ddb94c861f@default> References: <871timg8fn.fsf@mbork.pl> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1431383664 1147 80.91.229.3 (11 May 2015 22:34:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 22:34:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Yuri Khan , Paul Eggert , Emacs developers , bruce.connor.am@gmail.com, Kaushal To: Stefan Monnier , Marcin Borkowski Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 12 00:34:11 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YrwH3-0000ap-Ds for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 12 May 2015 00:34:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39903 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YrwH2-00058o-Aq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 11 May 2015 18:34:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60298) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YrwGm-00058W-C0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 May 2015 18:33:53 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YrwGj-0000a7-2C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 May 2015 18:33:52 -0400 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:29771) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YrwGi-0000Zr-SF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 May 2015 18:33:48 -0400 Original-Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id t4BMXbLS029386 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 May 2015 22:33:38 GMT Original-Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t4BMXbqf007781 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 May 2015 22:33:37 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0018.oracle.com (abhmp0018.oracle.com [141.146.116.24]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t4BMXbux017065; Mon, 11 May 2015 22:33:37 GMT In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 141.146.126.69 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:186443 Archived-At: > > I disagree. I use =C2=AB and =C2=BB from time to time, and I /never/ w= anted > > to use =E2=89=AA or =E2=89=AB. >=20 > FWIW I'm in the same situation. And I'm wondering why we need to provide such "shortcuts". It is *trivial* for anyone to bind keys to insert any chars one uses often. I don't see how we're doing anyone any favors by this. What's so special about any particular set of Unicode chars that we should bother to offer a predefined set of bindings for them (even if turning on that set is optional)? Now we're even down to looking to bind =E2=89=AB or =C2=BB? How silly is that? (Well, I'm sure those chars = are very useful for some people - but those who need 'em can bind 'em.) Where's the beef?