From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jan Rehders Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Adding new package org-menu to nongnu elpa Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2024 23:02:44 +0900 Message-ID: <6F39D8DC-48AD-4F48-96D0-C8BE353198C6@sheijk.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_8FA3114A-C981-4D1B-A68F-EF409CBE3A56" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="22358"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Adam Porter To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 17 15:35:43 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tCgNL-0005c1-4Q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 17 Nov 2024 15:35:43 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tCgMc-00044k-Ql; Sun, 17 Nov 2024 09:34:58 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tCfrn-0000X5-6G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Nov 2024 09:03:08 -0500 Original-Received: from mout-p-202.mailbox.org ([80.241.56.172]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_CHACHA20_POLY1305:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tCfrk-0003pj-In for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Nov 2024 09:03:06 -0500 Original-Received: from smtp102.mailbox.org (smtp102.mailbox.org [10.196.197.102]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mout-p-202.mailbox.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Xrssc0BfRz9sWG; Sun, 17 Nov 2024 15:03:00 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: permerror client-ip=80.241.56.172; envelope-from=jan@sheijk.net; helo=mout-p-202.mailbox.org X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 17 Nov 2024 09:34:57 -0500 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:325489 Archived-At: --Apple-Mail=_8FA3114A-C981-4D1B-A68F-EF409CBE3A56 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Yes the name is a good point. I don=E2=80=99t mind renaming it but I=E2=80= =99m not sure to what. org-transient has been proposed but that one = might just have the same issue. Proposals are very welcome!=20 I=E2=80=99ve written a mail to emacs-orgmode@gnu.org = ("Contributing org-menu (using transient) = to Orgmode?=E2=80=9D). Lets put adding this this on hold until that = discussion finishes =E2=80=94 Jan > On 16. Nov 2024, at 15:30, Adam Porter wrote: >=20 > Hello Jan, >=20 > A Transient menu system for Org is definitely needed. Have you = discussed this on the Org mailing list? Now that Transient is built in = to Emacs, this is a feature that ought to be built in to Org. And it = ought to be standardized and modularized so that it can (eventually) be = expanded and adapted to all parts of Org. >=20 > As well, I have a minor concern about the name: org-menu is so = obviously the right name for the feature, that having it as a package on = (non-) GNU ELPA would present a conflict, preventing Org from = implementing the feature internally under that name. >=20 > So it would seem best if you could contribute the package upstream to = Org; it could be an example and foundation for this work to grow on. >=20 > What do you think? >=20 > --Adam --Apple-Mail=_8FA3114A-C981-4D1B-A68F-EF409CBE3A56 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Yes the name = is a good point. I don=E2=80=99t mind renaming it but I=E2=80=99m not = sure to what. org-transient has been proposed but that one might just = have the same issue. Proposals are very = welcome! 

I=E2=80=99ve written a mail to emacs-orgmode@gnu.org ("Contributing org-menu (using transient) to Orgmode?=E2=80=9D). = Lets put adding this this on hold until that discussion = finishes

=E2=80=94 = Jan

On 16. Nov 2024, at = 15:30, Adam Porter <adam@alphapapa.net> wrote:

Hello Jan,

A = Transient menu system for Org is definitely needed.  Have you = discussed this on the Org mailing list?  Now that Transient is = built in to Emacs, this is a feature that ought to be built in to Org. =  And it ought to be standardized and modularized so that it can = (eventually) be expanded and adapted to all parts of Org.

As = well, I have a minor concern about the name: org-menu is so obviously = the right name for the feature, that having it as a package on (non-) = GNU ELPA would present a conflict, preventing Org from implementing the = feature internally under that name.

So it would seem best if you = could contribute the package upstream to Org; it could be an example and = foundation for this work to grow on.

What do you = think?

--Adam

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