From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alastair Houghton Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: asm-mode patch to allow per-file comment character setting from file locals Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 11:36:29 +0100 Message-ID: <6C1D0482-9501-47E5-A79E-C40EF7B349A8@alastairs-place.net> References: <2E2BAEFF-FEAD-4616-87CD-3B77D2734256@alastairs-place.net> <19321565-3F93-4299-996F-8A2081C462AF@alastairs-place.net> <85bqsyfrhb.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <853beaf0c4.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1150195117 21046 80.91.229.2 (13 Jun 2006 10:38:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:38:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 13 12:38:31 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fq6Hw-0003ca-MF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 12:38:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fq6Hw-0003eJ-2z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 06:38:24 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Fq6GI-00030y-Tc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 06:36:42 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Fq6GG-0002zr-69 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 06:36:42 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fq6GF-0002zj-Q4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 06:36:39 -0400 Original-Received: from [212.159.14.132] (helo=pih-relay05.plus.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1Fq6P4-0004c0-EB; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 06:45:46 -0400 Original-Received: from [213.162.110.205] (helo=[10.0.1.5]) by pih-relay05.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Fq6G6-0000ck-85; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 11:36:30 +0100 In-Reply-To: <853beaf0c4.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> Original-To: David Kastrup , Thien-Thi Nguyen X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:55851 Archived-At: On 12 Jun 2006, at 23:58, David Kastrup wrote: > Alastair Houghton writes: > >> On 12 Jun 2006, at 14:12, David Kastrup wrote: >> >>> Files set from a file local variables block are made buffer-local, >>> anyway. >> >> Which isn't stated in the Elisp info documentation (which I *did* >> read), > > File local variable blocks are not documented in the Elisp manual at > all. They are a user-level feature. *My* copy of the Elisp manual has a node entitled "File Local Variables". It seems to me that that should be the documentation for file local variables from an Elisp perspective. > I'll leave replying to you to others in future. That's your prerogative, of course. On 12 Jun 2006, at 23:58, Thien-Thi Nguyen wrote: > Alastair Houghton writes: > >> I'm happy to admit that I missed that part of the documentation, >> though I'm don't appreciate the undertone of cheekiness in your >> last remark, particularly not from someone with a gnu.org e-mail >> address. Maybe it wasn't intended that way, but that's how it >> came across. > > what do you expect from people w/ a gnu.org e-mail address? what > does that expectation have to do w/ not reading the docs properly? What I expect is that people with gnu.org addresses (who represent the FSF, right?) should be being polite to people who are trying to contribute to an FSF project. If I'm wrong or have misunderstood something, or have missed something in the docs, I don't mind being told that, but I also don't see why I should put up with remarks I perceive as cheeky given that I'm giving my time (and/or my employer's time) for free. I don't think that's an unreasonable expectation. If it was not a gnu.org address, that's different because you don't have any control over them and they don't represent the FSF. (BTW, I'm not certain that David's remark was intended to be cheeky, but equally I'm not altogether certain that it wasn't. I wasn't really planning on starting a discussion about it either.) > if the docs are unclear to you in some way, please explain how so. I think the Elisp manual's node (the larger of the two nodes that discuss file locals) should explicitly state that they are automatically made buffer local. If it had done, I'd probably have seen it. The node in the Emacs manual is very short and looks like a menu node with an introduction, rather than actual documentation per se. Don't misunderstand; the fault here is mine, I should have read it more carefully. Kind regards, Alastair. -- http://www.alastairs-place.net