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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:225446 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii wrote: > Thanks, I used this idea to extend Enriched mode with support of > 'charset' properties, and then recoded HELLO in UTF-8 and placed it > under Enriched mode. Thanks for doing all that. In looking at the new etc/HELLO, I see many uses of th= at seem=20 to be unnecessary when Emacs is viewing the file. For example, the first = few=20 uses are: latin-iso8859-1=C2=A1Hola!, Gr=C3=BC=C3=9F Gott= , Hyv=C3=A4=C3=A4 p=C3=A4iv=C3=A4=C3=A4, Tere=20 =C3=B5htust, Bonlatin-iso8859-3=C4=A1= u Czelatin-iso8859-2=C5=9B= =C4=87!, Dobr=C3=BD=20 den, Can't the abovementioned formatting commands be removed without affecting= what=20 any Emacs user sees, because the corresponding character sets are not uni= fied in=20 Unicode? Would it be OK to simplify /etc/HELLO to remove unnecessary form= atting=20 commands, and to keep only the formatting commands that are plausibly nee= ded in=20 a Unicode text file? And if so, what heuristic should be used to remove t= he=20 unnecessary formatting commands? I assume that the formatting commands were done automatically, so perhaps= I'm=20 talking about potential changes to lisp/textmodes/enriched.el.