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[128.30.9.213]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id l22sm4101434qkk.83.2019.03.22.09.10.43 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 22 Mar 2019 09:10:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83pnqjs4i8.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Language: en-GB X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::832 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:234595 Archived-At: On 2019-03-22 04:22, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Cc: brandelune@gmail.com, juri@linkov.net, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> From: Clément Pit-Claudel >> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 17:03:31 -0400 >> >>> Whether we like it or not, it's one of the standard methods of solving >>> these situations. It might sound somewhat more awkward in some >>> languages than the original wording, but it has other more important >>> advantages. >> >> I don't understand: what does this change buy us currently, except the awkward wording? > > It brings us a step closer to the i18n goal. A very small step, > admittedly, but step in the right direction nonetheless. Thanks, that's what puzzles me. IIUC, we will revert to the previous strings once we have proper translation support in place, right?