From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Alexander Shukaev Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: CC Mode version number for Emacs 25.2 Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 23:02:10 +0100 Message-ID: <68e12441-2523-c226-17f5-7fd4dab7d36c@Alexander.Shukaev.name> References: <20161218161335.GA30217@acm.fritz.box> <96d507b2-3e3b-0cad-31e6-1fcb0e110ffc@Alexander.Shukaev.name> <949b8c43-eb42-60fe-5b0c-5cf2a98d7839@Alexander.Shukaev.name> <20161222163427.GA10987@acm.fritz.box> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1483826595 14488 195.159.176.226 (7 Jan 2017 22:03:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 22:03:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 07 23:03:11 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cPz4k-0002Fz-7p for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2017 23:02:58 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59320 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cPz4n-0004ZJ-2S for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2017 17:03:01 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50769) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cPz45-0004Z9-Qd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2017 17:02:20 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cPz42-0002nF-N4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2017 17:02:17 -0500 Original-Received: from relay5-d.mail.gandi.net ([2001:4b98:c:538::197]:52189) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cPz42-0002lm-GI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2017 17:02:14 -0500 Original-Received: from mfilter41-d.gandi.net (mfilter41-d.gandi.net [217.70.178.173]) by relay5-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECD5741C097; Sat, 7 Jan 2017 23:02:12 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mfilter41-d.gandi.net Original-Received: from relay5-d.mail.gandi.net ([IPv6:::ffff:217.70.183.197]) by mfilter41-d.gandi.net (mfilter41-d.gandi.net [::ffff:10.0.15.180]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N0HsadHmLwhu; Sat, 7 Jan 2017 23:02:11 +0100 (CET) X-Originating-IP: 188.97.129.96 Original-Received: from [192.168.3.110] (dslb-188-097-129-096.188.097.pools.vodafone-ip.de [188.97.129.96]) (Authenticated sender: forum@alexander.shukaev.name) by relay5-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E354D41C090; Sat, 7 Jan 2017 23:02:10 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <20161222163427.GA10987@acm.fritz.box> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4b98:c:538::197 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:211155 Archived-At: On 12/22/2016 05:34 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > Hello, Alexander. > > On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 12:08:21AM +0100, Alexander Shukaev wrote: >> On 12/20/2016 12:13 AM, Alexander Shukaev wrote: >>> On 12/18/2016 05:13 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: >>>> Hello, Emacs. > >>>> The version of CC Mode within Emacs 25.1 is 5.33. This is unfortunate, >>>> since that version is at a much earlier stage of development than the >>>> standalone CC Mode release 5.33. > >>>> This conflict in the use of "5.33" has led to some confusion amongst >>>> people reporting bugs. > >>>> I would thus like to change the version number in Emacs 25.2 to >>>> "5.32.99", to minimise further confusion. I think it would be best to >>>> make an entry about this in NEWS, too. Incidentally, the actual code in >>>> CC Mode in the Emacs 25 has not changed since the realease of 25.1. > >>>> Does anybody have any objections to this renumbering? > > >>> Hi, > >>> How to actually install this up-to-date version through 'package.el'? > >>> Regards, >>> Alexander > > >> Did my mail get lost or? > > Sorry, just got a bit distracted by other things for a day or two. > > CC Mode is not available through package.el. There's either the version > in an Emacs release (which is frozen at pretest time, typically several > months before the release), or there's the stand alone version (which can > be any age) available from http://cc-mode.sourceforge.net/. The latest > stand alone version, 5.33, was released in August 2016. > > Alternatively, you can use the head of the VCS repository either at > savannah (for the entire Emacs version) or at sourceforge (for just CC > Mode). > Hello Alan, To me that looks like a major problem. It means that I have three options to keep track of your package: 1. Install it manually by copying corresponding '*.el' files into my Emacs configuration repository and shadow `load-path' on my own properly. 2. Make your repository to be a submodule of mine (what does not work for me since you are using Mercurial, while I use Git) and shadow `load-path' on my own properly. 3. Use `el-get' to do that management for me. All of these I find unacceptable: #1 smells like 90's (or earlier), #2 already mentioned, #3 requires another dependency that I don't want to deal with at the moment. All of that brings up a simple question: why such a widespread and useful package is not packaged on MELPA and other popular online archives? Kind regards, Alexander