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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:265094 Archived-At: On 17.02.2021 22:21, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > The feature is there, available for testing with a simple > customization. I didn't delete the feature. It is normal for us to > introduce new features as opt-in; the reverse is unusual, and in this > case I don't see why we would make such an unusual step. The feature > is quite minor. It's somewhat unusual in that it depends on network effects (on package maintainers to actually tag their commands) to work well. The chance of keeping it the default can be an encouragement to work out the kinks and reach some compromises, too. > Making it on by default is still on the table, but IMO it's premature, > if not plain wrong, to make such decisions before we see the feature > in its more-or-less final form. The discussion doesn't seem to be > anywhere near winding up, and neither are new and useful ideas about > it. I hope you're right, and this doesn't result in one side losing interest (because the feature is off and doesn't bother their work anymore) and the other side not wanting to change much anymore because of "it's optional, we like how it works already, and if you don't, you don't have to use it" line of thinking.