From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal for an improved `help-for-help' Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 12:47:56 +0000 Message-ID: <677a04021bc7fbe7bcef@heytings.org> References: <838s7hxqkr.fsf@gnu.org> <1c2c69f9-f42e-45e2-ab0e-8506aa859f85@yandex.ru> <8335ven7tu.fsf@gnu.org> <6654ddbe-0f1b-f36e-26f2-f4ee178b12ac@yandex.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="3969"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Stefan Kangas , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 25 14:49:23 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1laeCR-0000wV-ON for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 25 Apr 2021 14:49:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:32828 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1laeCQ-0007Iy-S5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 25 Apr 2021 08:49:22 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42228) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1laeB7-0006rj-Ei for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Apr 2021 08:48:01 -0400 Original-Received: from heytings.org ([95.142.160.155]:56344) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1laeB5-0006cW-EO; Sun, 25 Apr 2021 08:48:01 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heytings.org; s=20210101; t=1619354877; bh=8r5nu/iCmKs09j24NxoX1BjzzkD4S4e/8oWivlOZ5nc=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References:From; b=VMVWgvH7Pq6T51QWgkxcTT+SHCkGGrn8OEod2r/uBfp26XePTv5LZL8G2dlNLZlDq MDFLxYPnrD9IBeo84sNKt3g6lKvw2L14w8Stgz8wVPQaJN+QBft0VBQMri9fsyP7d2 HmDMqbVvOg543n49fflOOYMTRUtmVw3Oh9Yt7bKwCtasUrmbqBGW1Nb6aioas512nC DXLSduwbdOTu7gSZaabZ2L2kqsblSdvOnUNZ1i7oDiRyX3/UpOeGOF8Ddjam1hzlQK W39cuqgz/cTLnsEh+lNAg+GiOqUK9uQdR6dJh/ANSFjHIOxH312oTnFFaQTcwu4JAS ImmXGqty+sM9w== In-Reply-To: <6654ddbe-0f1b-f36e-26f2-f4ee178b12ac@yandex.ru> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=95.142.160.155; envelope-from=gregory@heytings.org; helo=heytings.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:268373 Archived-At: >>>> Perhaps the easiest fix would be to handle Delete same as Backspace >>>> here. >>> >>> Yes, that could alleviate the problem in this particular case. >> >> Please don't, that would be a horribly wrong change. > > I have described an obvious problem: Emacs says press DEL to scroll, the > user presses Del on their keyboard, and Emacs exits instead. > > All that in a Help interface, which is supposed to help newbies. Not > grizzled veterans. > > It's a real problem, if you want people to actually use this feature. > What about adding (define-key map [delete] 'scroll-down-command) to help-map?