From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal for an improved `help-for-help' Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 13:32:48 +0000 Message-ID: <677a04021bc5d2574fc6@heytings.org> References: <838s7hxqkr.fsf@gnu.org> <1c2c69f9-f42e-45e2-ab0e-8506aa859f85@yandex.ru> <8335ven7tu.fsf@gnu.org> <6654ddbe-0f1b-f36e-26f2-f4ee178b12ac@yandex.ru> <677a04021bc7fbe7bcef@heytings.org> <83mttmldk6.fsf@gnu.org> <677a04021b5149138e32@heytings.org> <83k0oqlcov.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Nxm1PFbBmd" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="31723"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: dgutov@yandex.ru, stefan@marxist.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 25 15:33:52 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1laetT-0008Ar-WA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 25 Apr 2021 15:33:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59674 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1laetT-0003MP-2e for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 25 Apr 2021 09:33:51 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48246) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1laesa-0002VE-Gl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Apr 2021 09:32:56 -0400 Original-Received: from heytings.org ([95.142.160.155]:56418) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1laesW-0000QX-Ly; Sun, 25 Apr 2021 09:32:54 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heytings.org; s=20210101; t=1619357568; bh=JZ1+TnIcJN+Kb/Bkvgu48im7/SmDQcrrjCPCGEJQEik=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References:From; b=G1o1l5n/iftEaloDxPLGkIunnlLOT2gZkzU561TiyIk9abYSycadFOKsRAUxENbTX CS/1zYTB83qm2hyy/2LsYTcP97Ue8lP+DAdnaeyQ8AhXetPOtFhjcWVwQA2/zckgsw 42o0EHVJA0IHiVx5UpaGkL/aji72v3zU6BzZXPyTAIzDvtCzr16I+O8n5HxUAafAYd kyQLLt9jMZ2RxrcVu8zh5XJmmuxKya6wooKDX1m86JqnY2ISiWEH9u1ysNZXStlT7y EOmH216c/Z+6MQUFyXQ8AkLozEx+RhFD9MHugCtPJdNJY+Oie9pdR7apfuplzcqboU U90dBhjBVAzaw== In-Reply-To: <83k0oqlcov.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=95.142.160.155; envelope-from=gregory@heytings.org; helo=heytings.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:268380 Archived-At: --Nxm1PFbBmd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > What I consider to be "horribly wrong" is to replace DEL _everywhere_ by > , which was the original suggestion above. I don't object to > handling like DEL in this particular case, especially since we > already did that, since long ago, > This is what I understood, and why I made the same suggestion. I couldn't believe that binding [delete] to scroll-up-command could be wrong. > > and it somehow regressed. > It's because the handling of Delete has changed in Emacs 24. It became "deletechar", it was "delete" earlier. Replacing the two occurrences of "delete" by "deletechar" in help-macro.el fixes the regression. 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