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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257406 Archived-At: > > My proposal on how to publish a survey is to include that in the Help > > menu, and let people do it straight from Emacs. That is similar to bug > > reporting, but it is not a bug, it is feature request. >=20 > But if you have to have mail configured, you're also only going to have > a specific subset of all users. Nothing _limits_ input to email. That's all we handle today, and we should at least continue to handle such input. But if we want to entertain supporting other input methods (smoke signals... whatever), that's not impossible. > I think the idea of having a survey that could be filled out from Emacs > is interesting (although we would only get to hear from current users, > not previous users). But it would have to work regardless of what the > user has configured or not. From what I see, that would either mean a > web form that can be filled out using EWW or a package that could be > downloaded from ELPA. It's not only either/or. The point of the suggestion was to leverage the existing `report-emacs-bug' input of general, free-form feedback. Where "leverage" also means encourage. And that in turn means new names (command alias, menu items,... whatever) and some new description (e.g. rework the wording of the existing bug-reporting instructions).