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[106.171.84.229]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 13sm6830420pgq.66.2019.03.21.16.46.08 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 21 Mar 2019 16:46:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::42f X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:234508 Archived-At: > On Mar 22, 2019, at 7:05, Cl=C3=A9ment Pit-Claudel = wrote: >=20 >> That's a subjective issue. I think the strings are more readable now = and there are potentially less grammatical mistakes (I am not talking = about the "Number of" part you mentioned). While before it was easy to = not notice a bug in the code. I think that is a net gain. >=20 > Understood, thanks. I would have preferred sticking with the previous = phrasing, but a single opinion is not much to act upon. :) No, it's quite the opposite. everything starts from a single opinion. = I would also prefer to stick to more natural sounding phrasing, but the = tools available at the moment don't allow for that. It is usually accepted in code internationalization that concatenation = and other similar processes should not be used to generate natural = language strings. So there are 2 ways to deal with that: either you = simplify the strings to the point where there are as little variations = possible (my choice for packages.el) or you use strings redundancy to = cover all the possible variations with processes that support that = (which we don't have at the moment). 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