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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:122231 Archived-At: > >> The "DEL deletes" functionality seems the main thing; a mode > >> which only did that would probably be fine, and solve 95% of > >> the muscle-memory-from-other-apps issues. > > > > Why? How will that help users who expect the usual > > type-to-replace behavior? > > It won't, but based on what I've seen, I think that people > who actually "type to delete", instead of hitting DEL first and _then_ > typing the new text, are a minority. Not based on what I've seen. (And not based on what I do.) The typical way I see people replace text is to (a) select it by dragging the mouse over it and then (b) type the replacement text. > The goal is _not_ to turn Emacs into windows, Windows? WINDOWS? That bugbear again? 99% of the applications out there, on 99% of the computers (on 100% of the platforms?) have this behavior. (No, I don't have proof of the percentages.) Your fear of the Windows bogeyman is apparently making you blind to the much larger reality. Perhaps you live 100% inside Emacs, but many people do not (including many hard-core Emacs users). > Clearly there are many controversial issues in this area, so we should > pick off the low-hanging fruit first. You see controversy where most people see de facto standard behavior (and useful behavior, at that). Bill Gates is behind the evil select-and-type-to-replace virus!