From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: A Soare Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Release plans Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:11:09 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <663766.3592561218546669709.JavaMail.www@wwinf4615> Reply-To: alinsoar@voila.fr NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1218546706 31972 80.91.229.12 (12 Aug 2008 13:11:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:11:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Emacs Dev \[emacs-devel\]" To: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 12 15:12:36 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KStfn-00029G-4v for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:12:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54356 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KSteq-0006FV-Qd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:11:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KStea-0005yg-0N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:11:12 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KSteZ-0005y2-8d for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:11:11 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=59599 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KSteZ-0005xu-39 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:11:11 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp2.voila.fr ([193.252.22.175]:32095 helo=smtp1.voila.fr) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KSteZ-0000Jh-2F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:11:11 -0400 Original-Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf4106.voila.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D7DEE5800287; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:11:09 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from wwinf4615 (wwinf4615 [10.232.13.59]) by mwinf4106.voila.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B06B7580028D; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:11:09 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080812131109722.B06B7580028D@mwinf4106.voila.fr X-Originating-IP: [85.9.55.98] X-Wum-Nature: EMAIL-NATURE X-WUM-FROM: |~| X-WUM-TO: |~| X-WUM-CC: |~| X-WUM-REPLYTO: |~| X-me-spamlevel: not-spam X-me-spamrating: 40.000000 X-me-spamcause: OK, (-205)(0000)gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrvdejvddrfeekucetggdotefuucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuoehnohhnvgeqnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenucdlqddutddtmdenlhhinhhugiefgiculddqfedtmdenshgvgiculddvhedm X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:102325 Archived-At: > A Soare wrote: > >> Windows hardly matters anymore. > >> > >> Windows is not growing much in functionality... > >> > >> Windows is important as a problem as long as it is non-free and > >> considerable numbers of people keep using it. It is clear that when > >> you say it "hardly matters" you are thinking of some other criterion. > >=20 > > I have never known in all my life a person using windows that thought t= o use emacs. All persons that I knew and wanted to (learn lisp)/(use emacs)= used linux or MAC OSX. > >=20 > > So a considerable number of peuple use Windows, but (almost) never Emac= s in Windows. >=20 >=20 > What is your thoughts about that? Is there something to learn from it?=20 > Is there something to investigate? >=20 Quite so! Investing energy to develop it under Windows is (almost) loss of = energy! I know a few cases of _good_ programmers at google, microsoft, etc that nev= er thought to use emacs. The reason: Windows has nicer environments to write C++, Delphi, C# etc. (t= hat is what they told me). I have never used Windows in all my life. I have= been using linux for more that 15 years. And since I have began to use emacs (2005), I use just emacs all the day. B= ut at the beginning I did an effort to understand it. That is what peuple d= oes not like : to make effort to understand something that they can have wi= thout energy. Emacs and Linux is used just by peuple that wants to understand how things = work. Windows is used by peuple that want to gain money and to arrive quiqkly at = their purpose. >From all my experience (all what I saw), windows interface for emacs is as = important as the file ./etc/sex.6 in emacs' sources. ____________________________________________________ Avant de prendre le volant, rep=C3=A9rez votre itin=C3=A9raire et visualise= z le trafic ! http://itineraire.voila.fr/itineraire.html