From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Daniele Nicolodi Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What improvements would be truly useful? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:223322 Archived-At: On 05/03/2018 12:22, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Daniele Nicolodi >> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 11:51:09 -0700 >> >> I think that what will help to keep Emacs relevant in the long run is >> modernizing its structure and code base, moving away from the baroque >> architecture that developed as a result of its very long history (and >> some less than optimally future proof design decisions). >=20 > What exactly are you talking about here? AFAIK, the Emacs > architecture didn't change since its inception, so its long history > has no relevance here. But maybe I'm missing something or > misunderstanding what you intended to convey. I'm far from being familiar with the Emacs codebase thus I may be reporting something that it is not completely true, however: Emacs was born as a console only application, the graphical user interface seems to be duct taped on. Also, GTK support seems a bit of an hack that requires layering violations (reaching down to the X primitives) to work. Being GTK the only modern toolkit supported on Linux (as far as I know) and the only way to get nartive Wayland support, some radical cleanup in that area would probably be a good thing. >> What would improve my user experience would be improvements to the >> display engine that will allow a better document viewing >> capabilities in something like pdf-tools (like continuous >> scrolling). >=20 > AFAIU, that's already possible from the display engine POV, what's > missing is application-level Lisp code that would take advantage of > the infrastructure. Reading the pdf-tools bug report on the matter, I had the impression that implementing this was not possible because of some Emacs limitations. I'm happy if that's not the case. I'll go and investigate more. Cheers, Dan