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From: Adam Porter <adam@alphapapa.net>
To: yantar92@posteo.net
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, jschmidt4gnu@vodafonemail.de
Subject: Re: Storing sensitive data indefinitely in variables or buffers: Whether and how to fix?
Date: Wed, 31 May 2023 11:39:31 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6503151d-13be-f299-24a2-76bb9d6fecc8@alphapapa.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87fs7dnd1u.fsf@localhost>

I've recently been thinking about similar issues.  In Ement.el, it's 
necessary to store a session token, which is used upon next connection 
to prevent having to log in with a password again (the Matrix protocol 
does not intend for users to re-enter their password on each 
connection).  For now, the token is stored in a plain-text file with 
permissions set securely, but obviously it would be good for the token 
to be encrypted at rest.

I once attempted to use the auth-source library to store it, but due to 
numerous problems[0], I gave up on that idea.

Since then we've gained the `persist' and `multisession' libraries, 
which seem like good tools, but neither one offers secure storage.

I think Emacs needs a new library to store Lisp data securely.  Ideally 
the API would simply return a Lisp object which could be used with 
common functions like alist-get, gethash, etc. to read data.  For 
writing, perhaps some kind of simple macro or function wrapper that 
would store the data securely, as-configured, without the application 
needing to know the details.

Even more ideally, such a feature would be part of `persist' and/or 
`multisession', or at least be built on top of them, to avoid having 
yet-another data-persistence library.

(I also hope we can figure out the situation with regard to having both 
`persist' and `multisession' now; I asked[1] last month, but the 
discussion didn't proceed very far.)

Does anyone else have thoughts about this?

Thanks,
Adam

0: 
https://old.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/8lvda6/is_authsource_from_the_dark_side/
1: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2023-04/msg00269.html



  reply	other threads:[~2023-05-31 16:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-05-30 21:25 Storing sensitive data indefinitely in variables or buffers: Whether and how to fix? Jens Schmidt
2023-05-31  8:02 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-05-31 16:39   ` Adam Porter [this message]
2023-05-31 18:17     ` tomas
2023-06-01  6:34       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-06-01  6:51         ` tomas
2023-06-01  7:11           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-05-31 19:05     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-01  6:48       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-06-01  7:11         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-01  7:29           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-06-01  7:33             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-01  7:34           ` tomas
2023-05-31 19:37     ` Jens Schmidt
2023-06-01  6:42       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-06-01 20:10         ` Jens Schmidt
2023-06-01 20:47           ` Adam Porter
2023-06-02  6:30             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-04 23:47               ` Adam Porter
2023-06-05  2:31                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-31 12:56 ` Eli Zaretskii

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