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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -14 X-Spam_score: -1.5 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.5 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.248, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255694 Archived-At: On 14.09.2020 15:41, John Yates wrote: > On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 1:39 PM Dmitry Gutov wrote: >> >> On 13.09.2020 19:38, John Yates wrote: >>> An alternative UI model would be to think of growing a frame top >>> minibuffer as dropping down a shade over the existing window(s). >>> This dropping down would not trigger resizing. Instead it would >>> obscure as much of the visible window(s) as necessary (at least >>> until the shade hits a window mode line or lower border). >> >> That's what maple-minibuffer does, mentioned in my previous email in >> this thread. With a link to a screencast. > > Only up to a point... > > The pop-up frame is fixed size. When the maple framei s not > popped up the minibuffer remains at the bottom of the frame. Do you mean the echo area or the commands which use the minibuffer which maple-minibuffer ignores? I'm not sure why 'eval-expression' is in 'maple-minibuffer:ignore-action' by default, but there must be some reason. In any case, if we want this feature well-integrated, there must be some initiative from the maintainers toward that end.