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From: Chad Brown <chadpbrown@gmail.com>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Tweaking t-m-m to make room for d-s-m
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:17:58 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <64C7B753-13E7-469E-B6A5-E0B0FEFB253D@mit.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83vdceywc6.fsf@gnu.org>


>>>    - It is not as easy to type for `undo' if your are used to using C-z for that.
>>> 
>>> C-z has never been an undo command in Emacs
>>> so Emacs users are not used to typing C-z for that.
>> 
>> That conclusion is not valid.
>> 
>> I think most Emacs users are today at least using also a web browser
>> where C-z means undo while editing.
> 
> Which doesn't necessarily mean they want it in Emacs.  At least for
> me, C-z scrolls the window by one line:
> 
> (global-set-key "\C-z" (function (lambda () (interactive) (scroll-up 1))))
> 
> I use this in Emacs by far more often than `undo'.

Can we at least agree that default keybindings are more likely intended
for new users than for dedicated emacs hackers?  

Personally, I bind control-z to a keymap of customized bindings/functions,
but that doesn't mean that I don't see at least *some* value in making it
match typical keybindings in basically every OS/UI currently used.

I would suggest that this change is too deep for an emacs 23 point release,
though.  If we can get a workable `upgrade system' (currently being
discussed in another thread) for dealing with new features in place for
emacs 24, that seems like a better time to consider defaults like CUA
bindings, don't you think?

*Chad



  reply	other threads:[~2010-03-30 18:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <87sk7pzqsp.fsf@ambire.localdomain>
2010-03-24 20:20 ` d-s-m default: nil Ulf Jasper
2010-03-24 20:26   ` Deniz Dogan
2010-03-25  0:24 ` d-s-m default: Nil + explanation! (was: d-s-m default) Memnon Anon
2010-03-25  4:22   ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-25  8:24     ` d-s-m default: Nil + explanation! David Kastrup
2010-03-25 13:03       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-25 13:18         ` David Kastrup
2010-03-25 13:27           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-25 14:21             ` Davis Herring
2010-03-25 14:42               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-25 15:04       ` Drew Adams
2010-03-25 16:27       ` Tweaking t-m-m to make room for d-s-m Stefan Monnier
2010-03-25 17:51         ` Alan Mackenzie
2010-03-26  7:04           ` Juri Linkov
2010-03-25 23:56         ` Drew Adams
2010-03-26  2:36           ` Stefan Monnier
2010-03-26  8:28         ` mathias
2010-03-26 17:53           ` Drew Adams
2010-03-26 20:18             ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-26 21:18               ` Drew Adams
2010-03-26 21:30                 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-26 22:05                   ` Christophe Poncy
2010-03-26 22:07                     ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-26 22:23                       ` Drew Adams
2010-03-26 22:33                         ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-26 22:44                           ` Drew Adams
2010-03-26 22:59                             ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-26 23:15                               ` Drew Adams
2010-03-26 22:30                       ` Christophe Poncy
2010-03-26 22:13                   ` Drew Adams
2010-03-26 22:32                     ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-26 23:11                       ` Drew Adams
2010-03-26 23:23                         ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-26 23:35                           ` Drew Adams
2010-03-27 22:49                   ` Richard Stallman
2010-03-27 23:27                     ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-27 23:37                       ` Deniz Dogan
2010-03-27 23:53                         ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-28  0:28                           ` Deniz Dogan
2010-03-29 23:38                       ` Richard Stallman
2010-03-30  0:08                         ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-30  1:16                           ` Christoph
2010-03-30  5:31                           ` Richard Stallman
2010-03-30  6:38                             ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-30  9:47                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-30 18:17                                 ` Chad Brown [this message]
2010-03-30 19:19                           ` Lluís
2010-03-25 20:48 ` d-s-m default: t Noah Friedman

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