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Location : parse_addr6(), p0f-client.c:67 X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::332 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247540 Archived-At: On 22.04.2020 16:22, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> The pre-configuration could contain just one line: >> >> (require 'shiny-settings) >> >> where shiny-settings.el is distributed with Emacs and is updated >> together with new releases. > So we expect users not to customize their Emacs, as long as they use > the "shiny Emacs"? What are the chances of that to work? Just make sure the custom file is loaded after.