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X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::634 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:229967 Archived-At: ------LDW3XGA6MTFQOX1BGLM0CHVFBXIYJO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Le 19 septembre 2018 23:46:35 GMT+05:30, Davis Herring = a =C3=A9crit : >> While that is nice, but it will fix one documentation at a time=2E Can >> we have an option in the customize interface to reveal the underlying >> lisp object representation , for any option ? E=2Eg=2E t, nil, 2, 'alwa= ys >> etc=2E ? The option could be a menu entry, key-binding etc=2E > >Yes, we can: under the [State] button is "Show Saved Lisp Expression"=2E= =20 >It seems that it shows the last value _set_, not the last value=20 >_selected_, though=2E > >Davis > >--=20 >This product is sold by volume, not by mass=2E If it appears too dense >or=20 >too sparse, it is because mass-energy conversion has occurred during=20 >shipping=2E OK, I tried that but it didn't seem to show the value i expected=2E Probab= ly due to the last set vs=2E last selected distinction=2E By last selected,= you mean we need to click on "Apply" , for "Show Saved Lisp Expression" to= show its lisp? "Saved" almost implies that one needs to click on "Apply an= d Save"=2E Anyway, this option could probably just bypass this confusion, and show li= sp adjacent to the "human readable" description in the drop down=2E ------LDW3XGA6MTFQOX1BGLM0CHVFBXIYJO Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Le 19 septembre 2018 23= :46:35 GMT+05:30, Davis Herring <herring@lanl=2Egov> a =C3=A9crit : 
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ile that is nice, but it will fix one documentation at a time=2E Can
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 have an option in the customize interface to reveal the underlying
 lis=
p object representation , for any option ? E=2Eg=2E t, nil, 2, 'always
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etc=2E ? The option could be a menu entry, key-binding etc=2E

Yes, we can: under the [State] button is "Show Saved Lisp Expression=
"=2E 
It seems that it shows the last value _set_, not the last value _selected_, though=2E

Davis

OK, I tried that but it didn't seem to show the value i expect= ed=2E Probably due to the last set vs=2E last selected distinction=2E By la= st selected, you mean we need to click on "Apply" , for "Sho= w Saved Lisp Expression" to show its lisp? "Saved" almost im= plies that one needs to click on "Apply and Save"=2E

Anyway, this option could probably just bypass this confusion, and show li= sp adjacent to the "human readable" description in the drop down= =2E ------LDW3XGA6MTFQOX1BGLM0CHVFBXIYJO--