From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Reitter Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Fixing report-emacs-bug Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 20:21:37 +0100 Message-ID: <6203393C-6FEE-48A3-9D7B-ECACD8341312@gmail.com> References: <66D10997-3675-4D74-9DD3-340D2DD69871@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1120418757 3444 80.91.229.2 (3 Jul 2005 19:25:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 19:25:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 03 21:25:54 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DpA5s-0003kV-S3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 21:25:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DpA5t-000413-08 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 15:25:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DpA5C-0003rh-JJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 15:24:50 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DpA57-0003ot-93 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 15:24:46 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DpA57-0003oq-6B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 15:24:45 -0400 Original-Received: from [64.233.184.205] (helo=wproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DpA7m-0003j6-W0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 15:27:31 -0400 Original-Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i2so667577wra for ; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 12:21:42 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:cc:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=fYmLEtChj6pNLjJhMnox2dG33Gj383AexaWMXr1fuOdMGqcS0gpS0pvL/4V4A3tYLhohXhcF7/RH9eAn9wfOBFUPMOEJLRjMWv8b4rk1+3DRODmpZyuLaqx8lE+6MoKPygYBvBnDFW7o4P/nRqfiuxBMr3KLeSp8ElB+ppOHaA0= Original-Received: by 10.54.56.11 with SMTP id e11mr3039930wra; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 12:21:41 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from ?192.168.123.177? ([82.41.228.21]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id g3sm415313wra.2005.07.03.12.21.40; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 12:21:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Original-To: rms@gnu.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:40246 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:40246 On 1 Jul 2005, at 23:45, Richard M. Stallman wrote: > I thought about this, but the thing is: the external bug reporting > facility will run the mail client and cause it to start a new > message > editor. If we changed sendmail.el, we would present users with the > internal editor first (for bug-reporting), then show them the > same e- > mail again in their external editor. That'd be confusing. > > Maybe, but I think suitable messages could avoid the confusion. What about using the APIs provided by the various systems to send e- mail? On Windows, it's MAPI - on Unix it's generally sendmail, and I don't know if there is a special one on the Mac. > Yet, one could augment compose-mail to start the external > agent. But > I assume such changes would have knock-on effects that would be > best > considered after the release. Right? > > Not necessarily. If it is a completely new path of control flow, > and it only gets used on the Mac, it won't break anything. Who would use that? People that use Emacs for e-mail will certainly want to set up their postfix system and not compose e-mails in Emacs and then editing it in an external e-mail client before it's sent off. Or are there packages that use sendmail a lot? Do people use Emacs for certain non- regular e-mail? Then, I would certainly see why this would make a lot of sense. And we should realize it as a general option, which could be on by default only on the Mac. I'd be happy to take a look at that. Also, I posted some ideas regarding sendmail (and checking whether it's live) in my previous post.