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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:316026 Archived-At: On 08/02/2024 08:59, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > But > I added F1 to that text, which should help if someone did change > help-char. Whether help-char is changed, or 'C-h' is rebound anyway, can all be detected at runtime. can also have a different binding in the current prefix map--then the new message would be doubly incorrect. I'd rather we picked one (preferably correct) suggestion and printed that. For context: I customize echo-keystrokes to a very low value and currently see this help message quite often.