From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Davis Herring" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Binding M-n and M-p toforward-paragraphandbackward-paragraphrespectively Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 20:13:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <60454.130.55.132.8.1302232430.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> References: <35CCFF878F0B4C22B25E6A12CB3B2FCE@us.oracle.com><871v1ej65p.fsf@gmail.com><536E080C1DE54AAA9CA25BD3DBC4D0C0@us.oracle.com><87lizldinz.fsf@gmail.com><87fwptdiey.fsf@gmail.com> <87mxk1vm5y.fsf@gmail.com> <4C62DFEA8E7741C5BCDD599C3C4493F5@us.oracle.com> Reply-To: herring@lanl.gov NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1302232531 5152 80.91.229.12 (8 Apr 2011 03:15:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 03:15:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, 'Antoine Levitt' To: "Drew Adams" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 08 05:15:26 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q829u-0003rH-Qp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Apr 2011 05:15:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49915 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Q8298-00037O-K4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2011 23:14:06 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=48299 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Q8293-00033I-QP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2011 23:14:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q8292-0003D9-Kx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2011 23:14:01 -0400 Original-Received: from proofpoint2.lanl.gov ([204.121.3.26]:39616) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q8292-0003Cy-DL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2011 23:14:00 -0400 Original-Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (mailrelay2.lanl.gov [128.165.4.103]) by proofpoint2.lanl.gov (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p383Do74029957; Thu, 7 Apr 2011 21:13:50 -0600 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 994D115CB4BD; Thu, 7 Apr 2011 21:13:50 -0600 (MDT) X-NIE-2-Virus-Scanner: amavisd-new at mailrelay2.lanl.gov Original-Received: from webmail1.lanl.gov (webmail1.lanl.gov [128.165.4.106]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85D2C15CB4B8; Thu, 7 Apr 2011 21:13:50 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: by webmail1.lanl.gov (Postfix, from userid 48) id 83E251CA80B3; Thu, 7 Apr 2011 21:13:50 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: from 130.55.132.8 (SquirrelMail authenticated user 196434) by webmail.lanl.gov with HTTP; Thu, 7 Apr 2011 20:13:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4C62DFEA8E7741C5BCDD599C3C4493F5@us.oracle.com> User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5_4.10.lanl3 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15, 1.0.148, 0.0.0000 definitions=2011-04-08_02:2011-04-08, 2011-04-08, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 204.121.3.26 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:138300 Archived-At: >> It just makes sense with the global idea that C- is for >> atomic movements, and M- for group movement. > > That might be an argument for users to bind it, but that in itself is not > an argument for Emacs to bind it by default. And it is certainly not an > argument to bind it to some specific key (which one?). FWIW, it is an argument for that last point: C-b is backward a character, and M-b a word; C-a is beginning of line, and M-a of sentence; it makes perfect sense for C-n to be next line and M-n to be next paragraph. That doesn't mean we should do it, but that's why M-n makes sense for it. Davis -- This product is sold by volume, not by mass. If it appears too dense or too sparse, it is because mass-energy conversion has occurred during shipping.