From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Andy Piper Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta Subject: Re: Permission to use portions of the recent GNU Emacs Manual Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 13:00:51 -0800 Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20041212125027.024c6900@mail.comcast.net> References: <87llc49kn1.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1102885347 22672 80.91.229.6 (12 Dec 2004 21:02:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 21:02:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: kfogel@red-bean.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 12 22:02:21 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CdarF-0000lW-00 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:02:21 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Cdb1J-0003fZ-2r for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:12:45 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1Cdb0u-0003ed-Uv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:12:21 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1Cdb0s-0003dO-Cv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:12:20 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Cdb0s-0003d1-AI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:12:18 -0500 Original-Received: from [216.148.227.85] (helo=rwcrmhc12.comcast.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Cdapk-00040B-Fu; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:00:48 -0500 Original-Received: from eagle.xemacs.org (sj-ez-63-96-166-132.bea.com[63.96.166.132]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004121221004601400df0kqe>; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 21:00:47 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Original-To: bob@rattlesnake.com In-Reply-To: Original-References: <87llc49kn1.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:31043 gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta:17427 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:31043 At 11:43 AM 12/12/2004, Robert J. Chassell wrote: >Why is it not possible? Are you suggesting that the XEmacs people >lack proper papers for contributions? If so, this means they cannot >ever ensure that the lawyers of a hostile organization with plenty of >money will tell the organization's leaders that the software is legal. >That is what I think you are suggesting. That's either amusing or insulting. XEmacs explicitly does not collect papers because we believe that hinders development of the product. The only reason we have tried to collect papers is promote greater cooperation with the GNU Emacs project. >This means that the XEmacs project is rhetorically ineffective. Since >I doubt that many people on it are concerned about business patterns, >politics and the like, I do not think this issue is salient to them. >I think they are mainly concerned with programming and wish the wider >world would go away. Please do not make assumptions about we are or are not concerned with. If anything the XEmacs project is much more concerned with these things than the FSF appears to be. I personally believe that the FSF's approach has contributed to making Emacs (and XEmacs) largely irrelevant today. So you can protect the code from big, bad companies - I highly doubt that anyone in the real world actually cares anymore. andy