From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Refilling overrides texinfo commands Date: 06 Jul 2003 14:14:46 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <5xn0frj1hl.fsf@kfs2.cua.dk> References: <200306251321.h5PDLjQ16340@eel.dms.auburn.edu> <5xznk5zmc8.fsf@kfs2.cua.dk> <200306262353.h5QNrc718263@eel.dms.auburn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1057486695 5832 80.91.224.249 (6 Jul 2003 10:18:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 10:18:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 06 12:18:13 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19Z6az-0001Vu-00 for ; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 12:18:13 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19Z6kJ-0002JZ-00 for ; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 12:27:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19Z6ar-0002hs-Bf for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 06:18:05 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19Z6aM-0002Hc-Gg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 06:17:34 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19Z6aC-00027a-Oi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 06:17:25 -0400 Original-Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk ([193.162.153.2]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19Z6Ze-0001np-AU; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 06:16:50 -0400 Original-Received: from kfs2.cua.dk.cua.dk (0x503e2644.bynxx3.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk [80.62.38.68]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 3749A47FF14; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 12:16:48 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: Original-Lines: 47 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3.50 Original-cc: karl@freefriends.org Original-cc: Luc Teirlinck X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:15405 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:15405 Richard Stallman writes: > That would have the negative effect of effectively disabling > Info-hide-note-references and making the text-hiding "mandatory" > instead of having it as an optional feature. Several people prefer > not to have the information in question hidden and they have valid > reasons for that. > > You are right. > > So I have gone back to my conclusion of a week ago, that we should > stop refilling paragraphs in Info. When some xref text is hidden, the > line will be shorter. That looks a little strange, but it is not > really wrong. When refilling is done, the results can be positively > wrong. I agree. Rather than completely removing the refilling, I have added a new variable Info-refill-paragraphs (default disabled) with suitable warnings about its potential ill effects. Take a look at the end of "(texinfo)makeinfo in Emacs" for a really extreme example of how bad the text can look _without_ refilling. > > I believe that trying to reformat Info files, as currently being > attempted, makes no sense. Info is an output format, not a mark up > language. Texinfo is a mark up language. So are XML and DocBook. > > Perhaps makeinfo is fast enough now that we could stop installing > Info files and have them regenerated when users want them. > If so, we could have an option to generate them in various ways > (hiding xrefs, showing xrefs, etc). We could do that always, provided that the result is cached. However, we would then require specific (very new) versions of makeinfo to be installed on the user's system. That would be a problem for many users. So I think we should still install info files as a fall-back, and only require to run makeinfo when some option (like Info-hide-note-references) is explicitly turned on. -- Kim F. Storm http://www.cua.dk