From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Why do we spend time on Emacs on Guile? Date: 16 Aug 2002 11:34:30 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <5xk7mrywnt.fsf_-_@kfs2.cua.dk> References: <86y9b8awuv.fsf@gerd.free-bsd.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1029486856 10162 127.0.0.1 (16 Aug 2002 08:34:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:34:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: gerd.moellmann@t-online.de (Gerd Moellmann) Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17fcYh-0002dn-00 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:34:15 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17fcya-0005ww-00 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:01:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17fcZe-0005FW-00; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 04:35:14 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17fcZ2-00057i-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 04:34:36 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17fcYW-00054A-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 04:34:35 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.filanet.dk ([195.215.206.179]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17fcYW-000541-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 04:34:04 -0400 Original-Received: from kfs2.cua.dk.cua.dk (telejak11.local.filanet.dk [192.168.1.118]) by mail.filanet.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 458207C017; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:34:01 +0000 (GMT) Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <86y9b8awuv.fsf@gerd.free-bsd.org> Original-Lines: 35 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3.50 Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:6577 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:6577 gerd.moellmann@t-online.de (Gerd Moellmann) writes: > No, I still think basing Emacs on Guile is a very bad idea. And I thought I was alone :-) I really don't see the point in spending a lot of time on "Emacs on Guile" which IMHO seems like a pretty academic project. Emacs Lisp has allowed users and hackers to implement zillions of brilliant add-on packages; what benefits (besides the academic ones) will switching to Guile give us? As Richard usually points out, our efforts should be on changes which have a benefit for the users of emacs, rather than the convenience of the "emacs hackers". AFAICS, switching to Guile has _ZERO_ benefits for the emacs users. What about a poll...: How many of the members on emacs-devel plan to switch to Guile once it is available? Why would you do that? Have you ever programmed in Guile/Scheme ? How much? I doubt very many existing Emacs Lisp packages will be converted to Guile, so what are the performance issues of not doing so if Emacs uses Guile internally? >From the discussions on the list, it seems Guile's data model doesn't really fit very well with Emacs Lisp anyway. ++kfs