From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs in CVS as today does not build - emacs depends on *.elc, which cannot be built without emacs Date: 20 Nov 2002 12:29:08 +0100 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <5xk7j8zdh7.fsf@kfs2.cua.dk> References: <3DC140C2.6000306@biobase.dk> <3DC15922.9050108@biobase.dk> <87wunw4ryu.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> <87heed81an.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1037788447 25965 80.91.224.249 (20 Nov 2002 10:34:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:34:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, schwab@suse.de, tra@biobase.dk, emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18ESBF-0006k3-00 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 11:34:01 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 18ESEO-00040T-00 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 11:37:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18ES7k-0001Hw-00; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 05:30:24 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 18ES6s-0000tv-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 05:29:30 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 18ES6q-0000tk-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 05:29:30 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.filanet.dk ([195.215.206.179]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18ES6p-0000qV-00; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 05:29:28 -0500 Original-Received: from kfs2.cua.dk.cua.dk (unknown [10.1.82.3]) by mail.filanet.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id CECE57C017; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:29:19 +0000 (GMT) Original-To: kfogel@red-bean.com In-Reply-To: <87heed81an.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> Original-Lines: 49 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3.50 Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:9559 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:9559 Karl Fogel writes: > In other words, the purpose of autogen.sh is to get your working copy > to the "same" state as a distribution tarball, at least as far as the > build procedure is concerned. This is obviously not the case for the CVS emacs autogen.sh, so couldn't ./autogen.sh simply print a message telling the user to follow the steps described in the (unmodified) INSTALL-CVS file? > +Therefore, to build from a CVS working copy, you should first run > + ./autogen.sh With the proposed change to use autogen.sh, the text in INSTALL-CVS becomes more cryptic and less useful, e.g. > -Normally, it is not necessary to use "make bootstrap" after every CVS > -update. Unless there are problems, we suggest the following > -procedure: Here you entirely remove the "recompile" instructions -- assuming that the user will run autogen.sh _again_ to get those instructions. Not very likely IMO. Also for non-POSIX systems has become more cryptic ... instead of simply stating that the user should run e.g. nt/configure.bat instead of configure, it instructs the user to study the autogen.sh script to determine what to do. > > +Users of non-Posix systems (MS-Windows etc.) should follow the > +procedure in autogen.sh, but run the appropriate platform-specific > +configuration scripts (nt/configure.bat, config.bat, etc.) before the > +"make bootstrap" or "make" step; the rest of the procedure is All in all, I think the proposed changes is a change to the worse, making it harder rather than easier to build and maintain a CVS emacs checkout. But I like the header lines you added in the INSTALL-CVS file :-) As I suggested, the following autogen.sh would suffice: #!/bin/sh echo "Please read INSTALL-CVS for instructions how to build emacs." -- Kim F. Storm http://www.cua.dk