From: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm)
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: eval-after-load as a macro (and eval-next-after-load)
Date: 08 Apr 2003 12:46:07 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5xhe99z2q8.fsf@kfs2.cua.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E192itM-0000ua-00@fencepost.gnu.org>
Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
> Maybe some wording could be added to talk about efficiency. For
> example, crisp.el adds two entries to cua-movement-commands. It does
> not make sense for crisp to require cua, as many crisp users probably
> don't want to use cua. It also doesn't work to just frob
> cua-movement-commands, since adding to a list can only be done after
> the defvar.
>
> The usual way to handle this is with hooks. Does cua mode have
> a cua-mode-hook?
It does not, but I can add one.
However, such hooks (e.g. cua-mode-hook) are normally for users to
set, so if a package like crisp modifies it (too), Customize will
report "this variable is set outside custom" -- and saving it will
cause the crisp addition to be saved as well (potentially adding to
the hook a reference to a function which isn't defined on next emacs
startup).
Doing this via a hook would require having two hooks -- one for emacs
internal use and another for the user...
IMO, that is an unnecessary complication, when eval-after-load does
the job perfectly.
In fact, using a hook is more complex, as we need to handle two cases,
depending on whether cua is enabled or not-enabled (which requires
testing cua internal variables), and then in the first case, the hook
action must be performed by crisp directly, and in the second case a
hook must be setup (and be written to de-install itself when it has
been run).
BTW, in the cua/crisp case, crisp actually add the entries to the
cua--standard-movement-commands list -- which is for emacs internal
use (there is a cua-movement-commands list for the user to modify).
The separation into cua--standard-movement-commands and
cua-movement-commands is precisely to avoid mixing emacs' internal
setup and the user's individual customizations.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2003-04-08 10:46 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-04-04 20:30 eval-after-load as a macro (and eval-next-after-load) Stefan Monnier
2003-04-05 8:13 ` Richard Stallman
2003-04-06 21:05 ` Stefan Monnier
2003-04-07 9:25 ` Kai Großjohann
2003-04-07 9:33 ` Miles Bader
2003-04-07 12:50 ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-04-07 13:36 ` Kai Großjohann
2003-04-07 19:05 ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-04-07 19:43 ` Kai Großjohann
2003-04-07 20:04 ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-04-07 20:19 ` Kai Großjohann
2003-04-07 19:35 ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-04-08 2:31 ` Richard Stallman
2003-04-08 10:46 ` Kim F. Storm [this message]
2003-04-08 10:21 ` Kai Großjohann
2003-04-08 18:17 ` Stefan Monnier
2003-04-09 23:41 ` Kim F. Storm
2003-04-09 1:59 ` Richard Stallman
2003-04-09 2:31 ` Miles Bader
2003-04-10 0:00 ` Kim F. Storm
2003-04-10 22:47 ` Richard Stallman
2003-04-07 17:04 ` Juanma Barranquero
2003-04-07 17:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2003-04-07 19:50 ` Juanma Barranquero
2003-04-08 2:31 ` Richard Stallman
2003-04-13 18:55 ` Juanma Barranquero
2003-04-14 7:10 ` Juanma Barranquero
2003-04-05 15:57 ` Kai Großjohann
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