From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: S-backspace Date: 31 May 2003 01:59:49 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <5xfzmwm1e2.fsf@kfs2.cua.dk> References: <20030527141845.GA13165@gnu.org> <200305290146.h4T1kBV18272@eel.dms.auburn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1054332113 20456 80.91.224.249 (30 May 2003 22:01:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 22:01:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: miles@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Sat May 31 00:01:48 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19LrwZ-0005JX-00 for ; Sat, 31 May 2003 00:01:47 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19LsBu-0003Od-00 for ; Sat, 31 May 2003 00:17:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19LrxR-0001Vq-Ap for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Fri, 30 May 2003 18:02:41 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19Lrwq-00013D-Ek for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 May 2003 18:02:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19LrwV-0000bl-6o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 May 2003 18:01:44 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.filanet.dk ([195.215.206.179]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19LrwN-0000Pj-3N; Fri, 30 May 2003 18:01:35 -0400 Original-Received: from kfs2.cua.dk.cua.dk (unknown [10.1.82.3]) by mail.filanet.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 924FA7C012; Sat, 31 May 2003 00:01:33 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: Original-Lines: 27 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3.50 Original-cc: rv@gnu.org Original-cc: Luc Teirlinck Original-cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-cc: alex@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:14507 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:14507 Richard Stallman writes: > > All in all, the situation created by XFree86 and Linux is a confusing > one. Given that XFree86 turns off the Linux handling of C-M-delete as > a command to reboot, shouldn't it use C-M-delete for killing the X > server, rather than C-M-backspace? Well, that would cause other rather severe problems in some setups. Consider the following setup which I guess is quite common for those of us who want free software on our systems, but need to use non-free software (for some tasks) to earn a living: On my GNU/Linux box at work, I run a vmware virtual machine under X, and inside that virtual machine I run Windows XP (to access the company Intranet). Now, to log into Windows XP, I need to press C-A-delete (ie. C-M-delete); so it is _very_ fortunate that neither Linux nor XFree86 uses that key sequence to restart the machine or the X server. Having said that, I think the choice of C-M-backspace to restart the X-server is a very bad choice ... something like C-M-S-SysReq or whatever obscure sequence would be better. -- Kim F. Storm http://www.cua.dk