From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: quimby.gnus.org!not-for-mail From: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Crash on loading image Date: 23 Feb 2002 20:18:38 +0100 Message-ID: <5x664o57n5.fsf@kfs2.cua.dk> References: <200202222346.g1MNk5q14177@aztec.santafe.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: quimby2.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: quimby2.netfonds.no 1014492033 4200 195.204.10.66 (23 Feb 2002 19:20:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@quimby2.netfonds.no NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Feb 2002 19:20:33 GMT Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby2.netfonds.no with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 16ehij-00015e-00 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 20:20:33 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16ehgZ-0002GV-00; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 14:18:19 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.filanet.dk ([195.215.206.179]) by fencepost.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16ehg6-0002Cl-00; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 14:17:50 -0500 Original-Received: from kfs2.cua.dk.cua.dk (unknown [10.1.82.3]) by mail.filanet.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 838DA7C035; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 19:17:31 +0000 (GMT) Original-To: rms@gnu.org, Pavel@Janik.cz In-Reply-To: Original-Lines: 51 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2.50 Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: quimby.gnus.org gmane.emacs.devel:1461 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:1461 Pavel@Janik.cz (Pavel Jan=EDk) writes: > From: Richard Stallman > Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:46:05 -0700 (MST) >=20 > Richard, >=20 > > note, that some Linux distributors - like SuSE - have also libun= gif-4.1.0 > >=20 > > Thanks for helping to collect these test cases. While you are at it, > > would you please not call those companies "Linux distributors". What > > they distribute is much more GNU than Linux, and giving "Linux" 100% > > of the credit hurts the GNU Project. >=20 > I know your arguments. I think all people here know your arguments so it = is > pointless to discuss this on this mailing-list. >=20 > But do you really think that they distribute more GNU than Linux?=20 If you take the good ol' UNIX V7 and BSD manuals, man(1) to man(8), you can say that Linux covers man(2) and man(7), and GNU covers the rest. So it is fair to talk about a GNU/Linux system for the base operating system, and that GNU is a considerable part of that. Add to that, that Linus has contrinuted Linux to GNU as (one of) the kernels for building a complete GNU system.=20=20 So if GNU tells you that the proper term for a GNU system with Linux as the kernel is GNU/Linux, then I think you - as a contibuter to GNU - should respect that. > Should I then refer to SuSE as commercial Linux/XFree/Sun/GNU distributor? No, you can refer to SuSE as a commercial GNU/Linux, XFree, KDE, and StarOffice distributor. I don't know what the KDE and SUN developers think about their efforts being viewed as "components of Linux". The GNU project obviously doesn't want to be viewed that way. > If you think that GNU project tends to be forgotten in people's minds, > something *should* be done. But saying half-truth to them is not correct > and can turn against GNU project in the future. I do not want to be there > when this happens... In my mind, there is *less* "half-truth" about calling it GNU/Linux than just Linux!!! --=20 Kim F. Storm http://www.cua.dk _______________________________________________ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel