From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Glenn Morris Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: master f995fbd: * lisp/server.el (server-name): Add autoload cookie. (Bug#23576) Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 13:30:04 -0400 Message-ID: <5jy474fxib.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <20160518194708.27363.47377@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <20160518194708.86FE0220157@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <834m9u9dis.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1463765494 5416 80.91.229.3 (20 May 2016 17:31:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 17:31:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 20 19:31:33 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1b3oGp-0000B0-Oy for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 20 May 2016 19:31:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55760 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b3oGp-0007tB-1a for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 20 May 2016 13:31:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55603) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b3oFY-00077J-5f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2016 13:30:13 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b3oFU-0003nc-27 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2016 13:30:12 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:52428) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b3oFU-0003mm-08 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2016 13:30:08 -0400 Original-Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1b3oFR-0007l1-Cs; Fri, 20 May 2016 13:30:05 -0400 X-Spook: Tamaulipas TELINT Attack Drug Yemen Rand Corporation SRI X-Ran: e_%7--2.W\8p`\}`kL(qJ?zICtG/cA.;\U|$[8+jIPl7])X]mAp`C'q7(|C#n" (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 19 May 2016 20:13:47 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:203908 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Autoloading defcustoms just so people can set them interactively before >> the associated package is loaded is a Bad Thing. > > I don't understand why. Can you explain? That's not the only > defcustom that is marked as autoloaded. It's the Emacs policy, and has been for years, to not autoload defcustoms unless it's really needed for some special reason. Eg http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2007-06/msg00360.html http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2010-01/msg01145.html I agree with Stefan. It's just wrong. Don't try to solve a generic issue by autoloading the world one piece at a time. >> IMO it would have been better to simply remove the bit about >> set-variable from the manual. > > I don't see why we should remove useful advice from the manual, just > because it's inconvenient to make it work. It's not useful advice. This is the only instance of M-x set-variable in the entire manual! No-one using multiple servers (a relatively advanced feature) needs that crutch. It adds nothing to the manual to have it there, and it should be taken out.