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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:256341 Archived-At: > The question is ... whether any arbitrary, usually small, set of (setq X)= or > (face-spec-set Y) are better added to a hand-crafted init file, or done > via Custom (so they end up in custom.el). The typical advice users get > on Stackexchange and similar, is to choose either variant at will (or > randomly), and to version control their emacs.d directory with git. FWIW,that's not the advice I give. This is the advice I give: https://emacs.stackexchange.com/questions/102/advantages-of-setting-variabl= es-with-setq-instead-of-custom-el/106#106 And my advice is to use a `custom-file', so that Customize doesn't fiddle with your hand-coded settings in your init file. (And you shouldn't fiddle with Customize's code in your `custom-file'.) > What this shows is that (too much) freedom of choice early on in a new > user's adoption journey can be perceived as an obstacle (by new users). That may be true. (I kinda wish that Emacs would somehow provide users with a default, empty `custom-file', so that Customize would never go near their init file.)