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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179922 Archived-At: > > If we add a command to the Info reader that will crank out the > > corresponding web page for locally installed Info documentation so > > that it can easily be cut and pasted into a reply on a public > > mailing list for reference, this will do a lot more for increased > > page rank to search engines (if they are GNU _manuals_ linked to > > on the project pages, they are of course _visible_ to search > > engine crawlers) than messing with its source language. >=20 > Hey, I think this is a great idea http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2014-12/msg00627.html > replace the "(emacs)Title" syntax with a URL. When passed to Info, > these URL would be redirected to the local Info pages. The original suggestion (quoted in that reply by David K) was the other way around: The web version of a manual uses URLs that are derived from the Info manual. Just keep that, but use that mapping in Info to provide an Emacs command to retrieve the URL for a given node (and so yank it or follow it etc.). > The main downside is that those URLs would take up more space. But > the upside is not just greater exposure of our HTML manuals to search > engines, but also the removal of the ad-hoc (info "(emacs)Title") > syntax. See above. Provide the corresponding URL from Emacs, but continue to use the current node refs within Info (Emacs). No wasted space. No downside. FWIW, that "ad-hoc" node syntax is an Emacs feature, not something that needs to be removed. Either way (use a URL directly in Info/Emacs or provide a function to get the URL for a given Info node), see the previous discussion of this.