From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?Q?Cl=c3=a9ment_Pit--Claudel?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: confusion about phi varphi, latex, input-method TeX, prettifying Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 11:11:47 -0400 Message-ID: <5df74598-134a-403b-4496-609ad0b6ae8f@gmail.com> References: <87eg5oh661.fsf@mat.ucm.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="TF0DGqK6rJ3Hm2V1qMiHUAbN0U8ea3e7X" X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1471878790 18045 195.159.176.226 (22 Aug 2016 15:13:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 15:13:10 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 22 17:13:06 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bbquP-0004Ob-Tq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Aug 2016 17:13:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41881 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bbquN-0004vC-4u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Aug 2016 11:13:03 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56525) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bbqtN-0004r8-I9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Aug 2016 11:12:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bbqtJ-00058y-6O for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Aug 2016 11:12:00 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.24]:57242) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bbqtI-00058r-RL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Aug 2016 11:11:57 -0400 Original-Received: from [18.189.127.88] ([18.189.127.88]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue103) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MDEgG-1bNZfL3Nzo-00GZMq for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2016 17:11:56 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87eg5oh661.fsf@mat.ucm.es> X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:t+QnCZFCyEG8F5SWis/KRaDgVbFgMT5CoHkm0rYnAGZ2Occ7yrC XLuLYm9h6jXdHyIphwnqDZeVxIi/1JEeRIVlZPmQ9JwZjszn/G1vV5byjxrK87kiDaFPzJZ IEWim/M3k41fDgl+mHEexIWpFdZ7jtbKrcoORJ3SX4hGvX1V5re8SveGP4B9ZXbg2giH0+d UhKqEK57EWxXIVJ5Cz2Dg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:JXkdDcP6VHo=:mUIRE80Yc8X+AH+7upoy5v iT0W1TmJCBmE6HKmUbmeV/eQ3tmxxH4LH+eKbPDX+fDldJOOgidMvBlqy8Mi0QXfDhrr35tZv qfl0LbKL/Wu9eb8uKSzvat4PbM0D9PKZLce3v2GsLsxAnaYeHuehN1m47Zt5E2nDCLoxvjES3 C1OShOH1/31pIGe5dhyYII6anR8QmEXIiQkznKJLguUdulrwstre2YbFQYYuTr03zyx9mReVL ZmSa9uOaoHIMuF9OQ5+883cSI4vNcOnpKoCIOVdxSBT2bkHgt3LCQLRuNZykokVphaqJuTCdL X5sCVWBiyvcBewUnbB5JVY7PiJYOwoGo5XEaD/j5xajiNRuMnVg5B2OdK+rKdIe3kTaAaaqpA GLNy8QO24cNbG/EK1cwFwRexM9HgTWu3ldgMyUKhJev4bjEAmpvxqTUmdAEB8hbb/mR3qwYhk dM6EVSciqlR2TjN6X2fs0uR8jDvhxS9DjPghZ7z69wez/M6svCW8CH8CEo9mr7OqB92hDS3VP ioOFg/8TPLWWZZh3O3919pkeYBS/qGvjw1Ork0LuK6wSn0Zbvk9OIO+gD1QX9VjEKMNx8jnAl ao389bgKobHF01vlJCGGOms04nxmPUBsyOz8I+iMVgVehWMRks1dgOBMIumHiN7+LkSE4PBYP BbwEOeR4YmfVkpWH1MhxcxSBDSWUc/UOny15v6GsG1ym3PVf5iUWqZLjbt9Yji91fFzE= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 212.227.17.24 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:206751 Archived-At: This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --TF0DGqK6rJ3Hm2V1qMiHUAbN0U8ea3e7X Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="ha0B18mh6tuGCEladi6oKi9lIFKM08KCk" From: =?UTF-8?Q?Cl=c3=a9ment_Pit--Claudel?= To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Message-ID: <5df74598-134a-403b-4496-609ad0b6ae8f@gmail.com> Subject: Re: confusion about phi varphi, latex, input-method TeX, prettifying References: <87eg5oh661.fsf@mat.ucm.es> In-Reply-To: <87eg5oh661.fsf@mat.ucm.es> --ha0B18mh6tuGCEladi6oKi9lIFKM08KCk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2016-08-16 15:20, Uwe Brauer wrote: > Hello >=20 > It seems to me mostly a question for GNU emacs, but I put the > auctex-devel list on the CC just in case. >=20 > When I compile a LaTeX document which contains. >=20 > $\phi \varphi$ >=20 > The pdf file presents these symbols as (screenshot attached) > =CF=95 =CF=86 >=20 >=20 > But when I use prettifying \varphi is not displayed and \phi is > displayed as if it were \varphi >=20 > On top of that when use set-input-method TeX >=20 > And >=20 > \phi --> =CF=86 >=20 > \varphi --> =CF=95=20 >=20 > So it seems to me, latex is right input-method is wrong and prettifying= > as well. >=20 > Any comments The input method and prettification both take the "pragmatic" decision of= rendering \phi as GREEK SMALL LETTER PHI instead of GREEK PHI SYMBOL, pr= esumably because it has better font support or because of consistency wit= h the rest of the greek alphabet. Some extra data points: * The unicode-math package translates GREEK PHI SYMBOL to \phi, and GREEK= SMALL LETTER PHI to \varphi, so the input method is inconsistent with un= icode-math. * The company-math package translates \phi to GREEK PHI SYMBOL and \varph= i to GREEK SMALL LETTER PHI, consistently with your expectations. 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