From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Konstantin Kharlamov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Android port (was: gnulib fsusage) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2023 12:06:02 +0300 Message-ID: <5daf3b48f0a460c03d7e365a5d6932fd41705e4b.camel@yandex.ru> References: <87bkmv6z36.fsf.ref@yahoo.com> <87bkmv6z36.fsf@yahoo.com> <83y1pzyqed.fsf@gnu.org> <875yd296la.fsf@yahoo.com> <83lelyzuph.fsf@gnu.org> <871qnq91l1.fsf@yahoo.com> <835yd2ps1v.fsf@gnu.org> <87wn5i7id9.fsf@yahoo.com> <831qnqppkm.fsf@gnu.org> <83bkmtoep1.fsf@gnu.org> <35ae19e677415c7f12d81cedb6f5e662a977f5d0.camel@yandex.ru> <837cx7avsm.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="25682"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Evolution 3.46.3 Cc: bugs@gnu.support, luangruo@yahoo.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 28 10:06:57 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pLhAn-0006Xn-JT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 28 Jan 2023 10:06:57 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pLhA6-00044u-8Y; Sat, 28 Jan 2023 04:06:14 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pLhA4-000412-NV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Jan 2023 04:06:12 -0500 Original-Received: from forward501c.mail.yandex.net ([2a02:6b8:c03:500:1:45:d181:d501]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pLh9z-00082j-PW; Sat, 28 Jan 2023 04:06:12 -0500 Original-Received: from iva7-f29bbb1ff8a1.qloud-c.yandex.net (iva7-f29bbb1ff8a1.qloud-c.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:c0c:2e97:0:640:f29b:bb1f]) by forward501c.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 551525EE58; Sat, 28 Jan 2023 12:06:03 +0300 (MSK) Original-Received: by iva7-f29bbb1ff8a1.qloud-c.yandex.net (smtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id 26OCYaMY9iE1-1QKjVeHt; Sat, 28 Jan 2023 12:06:03 +0300 X-Yandex-Fwd: 1 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1674896763; bh=z6mwKZyEhdpvG5TzgPWheMhnl12vIMNGYRa3W3OXJhw=; h=References:Date:In-Reply-To:Cc:To:From:Subject:Message-ID; b=vmH+pwApc1cKzMqvkogmOPaMkYss5W0IbM+Ye63pS0AGqvGTH2X2PmTZTaT8FBHTW u/jmb2YN7hcfQguXeInDarUNarFQe8Q1sGvlhk8VnQXjp8+22Q7HwHfhA4ekyLG29+ QpvJLAYWYn0/e2h1+rJDDX0D6Q1IztbFnDCRO8NQ= Authentication-Results: iva7-f29bbb1ff8a1.qloud-c.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.ru In-Reply-To: <837cx7avsm.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a02:6b8:c03:500:1:45:d181:d501; envelope-from=hi-angel@yandex.ru; helo=forward501c.mail.yandex.net X-Spam_score_int: -10 X-Spam_score: -1.1 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FREEMAIL_REPLY=1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:302708 Archived-At: On Sat, 2023-01-28 at 10:49 +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: Konstantin Kharlamov > > Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2023 10:50:02 +0300 > >=20 > > On Fri, 2023-01-20 at 09:19 +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > > Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2023 09:47:34 +0300 > > > > From: Jean Louis > > > > Cc: Po Lu , emacs-devel@gnu.org > > > >=20 > > > > * Eli Zaretskii [2023-01-19 17:28]: > > > > > First, we need to decide whether we indeed want to have this in E= macs. > > > > > Android is not a free platform, so when its support comes with a = lot > > > > > of additional non-trivial code that we'd need to understand and > > > > > support/maintain (including a lot of Java), we had better discuss= ed > > > > > that first. > > > >=20 > > > > Replicant is free platform. > > >=20 > > > That fact is not relevant to this discussion. > >=20 > > I think the point Jean meant to make is that Android platform per se is= n't > > closed, even if the unfortunate situation is that many vendors ship a l= ot of > > closed code, mainly drivers (tho situation with closed drivers is slowl= y > > improving, Google seem to be working on that). > >=20 > > The link Jean posted is just one of (free and open source) derivatives = of > > Android platform. The other one very popular comes to mind was Cyanogen= Mod, > > which later was succeeded by LineageOS. >=20 > Since the absolute majority of Android devices out there are non-free, > the fact that a small number of free ones exist is not relevant to > the main points of this discussion. You seem to be confusing a platform per se with customer devices it install= ed on. The Android platform is free: it has its sources open, it is being d= eveloped in the open, and it even has derivatives. The unfortunate fact that majority of the customer devices has a *modified*= Android where the modifications were not released in the public is in my o= pinion irrelevant. That is because you are not developing against specific = proprietary device, instead you are developing against open Android librari= es, which are supported by those devices anyway.