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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:312457 Archived-At: On 11/9/2023 6:31 PM, João Távora wrote: > Right, probably because in both Common Lisp and Elisp that function > is called ELT and is a very old function. So there was no need to > add it to cl-lib.el. keep in mind cl-lib.el comes from cl.el which > didn't have the "cl-" prefix. So Common Lisp functions that were > exactly the same in Emacs Lisp obviously weren't in cl.el, so that's > why there's no cl-elt. I suppose that's what you get when you just try to learn the sum total of (Emacs) Lisp via osmosis. :) Now I know about a new function, though.