From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: ASCII-only startup message? Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 09:40:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5c9a1bc0-f429-475e-917e-07c044119848@default> References: <567ECD8C.1070408@cs.ucla.edu> <8360zlhy7x.fsf@gnu.org> <567EE043.9020109@cs.ucla.edu> <83y4chgh5q.fsf@gnu.org> <567EED47.1090700@cs.ucla.edu> <83si2pgci8.fsf@gnu.org> <567F22B1.9040702@cs.ucla.edu> <2dc99848-b6d5-4f53-b22c-66e29d15647c@default> <444c19cb-4687-41c4-8291-481f5b5a42a1@default> <9e93866e-c6a4-42e3-b8b2-70fd6185b25e@default> <568102D0.5030707@cs.ucla.edu> <032eb0f9-1cc3-44fa-b37b-af697c8bdc86@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1451410877 24643 80.91.229.3 (29 Dec 2015 17:41:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 17:41:17 +0000 (UTC) To: Random832 , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 29 18:41:05 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aDyGd-0006tJ-Od for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 18:41:04 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49526 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aDyGd-0003k8-0s for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:41:03 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53208) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aDyGa-0003k0-0k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:41:00 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aDyGW-0004W5-Q5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:40:59 -0500 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:43029) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aDyGW-0004UX-Jf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:40:56 -0500 Original-Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id tBTHeqFF019316 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Dec 2015 17:40:52 GMT Original-Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id tBTHepTS017327 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Dec 2015 17:40:52 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0015.oracle.com (abhmp0015.oracle.com [141.146.116.21]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id tBTHepDT030921; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 17:40:51 GMT In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 156.151.31.81 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:197113 Archived-At: > > (And yes, _personally_, I would prefer that we make life easier for > > users in Info and *Help* and *Messages* and ... too, if that were > > still possible. But that's not what this discussion is about.) >=20 > To take a step back and think about solving both problems... What > about a list of characters - to include, by default, quotation marks > and apostrophes and maybe a few other things like dashes - that are > allowed to be silently mapped to best-fit ASCII equivalents when > writing a buffer in a coding system that does not support them? I don't have an opinion on that proposal, now. But I will say that the reason for my (personal) opinion about such buffers is not limited to saving. ` and ' are simply far easier for users to use - by nearly any definition of "use", not just saving.