From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 07:35:29 -0700 Message-ID: <5D17181ED92C4552AE8D4404DD035CA0@us.oracle.com> References: <871umzrvfw.fsf@gmail.com> <87wr4rqg6g.fsf@gmail.com><83d36j59gv.fsf@gnu.org> <87r4uz58e3.fsf@sec.modprobe.de> <83aa1n57p4.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1336228556 31481 80.91.229.3 (5 May 2012 14:35:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 14:35:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "'Eli Zaretskii'" , "'Tom Rauchenwald'" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat May 05 16:35:55 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SQg5Q-0007jZ-PO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 05 May 2012 16:35:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41996 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SQg5Q-0006wO-5k for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 05 May 2012 10:35:52 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:55028) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SQg5M-0006wB-I5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 May 2012 10:35:50 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SQg5K-0000t0-Tx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 May 2012 10:35:48 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]:25179) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SQg5H-0000rj-5Z; Sat, 05 May 2012 10:35:43 -0400 Original-Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id q45EZbkk017923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 5 May 2012 14:35:38 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q45EZalg023970 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 5 May 2012 14:35:37 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt110.oracle.com (abhmt110.oracle.com [141.146.116.62]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q45EZaAq014588; Sat, 5 May 2012 09:35:36 -0500 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.221.111) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 05 May 2012 07:35:36 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <83aa1n57p4.fsf@gnu.org> Thread-Index: Ac0qnRVZ6ot+csq1Reeo3UWe15GP0wAJpcDw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-Received-From: 141.146.126.227 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:150284 Archived-At: > > > Do these BEGIN_SRC and END_SRC marks serve some useful > > > purpose in mail messages? > > > > In recent Gnus builds it will font lock that part off the message > > appropriatly, making it look pretty. Will the next Gnus version randomly inject spinning globes, "You've WON!!" banners, and other 1990s animelia? Can't wait! Wonder what that will look like as markup... Should liven up (and prettify!) the GNU mailing lists. > Thanks, but why isn't this done in general-purpose font-lock of email > messages? Why limit this to Gnus? Bzzzzt - wrong question. The question is NOT why we don't extend or generalize it to other Emacs email paraphernalia besides Gnus. The question is why we send this crap at all in plain-text messages? That such markup might be useful within Org mode or Gnus or even Emacs generally is no reason to expose it in plain-text mail. We discourage the use of HTML messages in GNU mailing lists. But then Gnus/Org/Emacs goes and rolls its own simulacrum? And then everyone who is not using Emacs for mail has the obligatory privilege of seeing the markup? If Gnus/Emacs wants to render HTML or XML markup, great. Email clients of many stripes generally know how to do that, so users do not see the markup itself. But whatever Gnus/Emacs decides to do about markup and "looking pretty", please keep the markup out of plain-text messages. Some mailing list subscribers read and write mail outside of Emacs (imagine that). And some mailing lists are mirrored to newsgroups and websites that can also be accessed without Emacs (imagine that). "Font-lock" prettifying doesn't mean a whole lot to the outside world. (Note: I would have no problem with the GNU mailing lists NOT discouraging HTML messages. My point is that we should not (a) discourage HTML and then (b) bring in some artisanal, Emacs-specific markup through the back door. HTML and XML at least provide (more or less) standard markup that is supported by many clients.) #+END_GNUS