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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:283845 Archived-At: > On Jan 1, 2022, at 6:37 PM, Po Lu wrote: >=20 > Yuan Fu writes: >=20 >> A while ago I wrote a package that helps a new user to configure >> Emacs: it takes a user through some interactive pages, where changes >> takes effect immediately; and in the end it generates some code that >> can be copied to init.el. >>=20 >> Demo for the original package: https://youtu.be/0qMskTAR2aw >>=20 >> I made some improvements to that package and renamed it >> setup-wizard. Do you think we could add it to ELPA? Maybe the name is >> too =E2=80=9Cofficial=E2=80=9D, in that case I can rename it to = yuan=E2=80=99s-setup-wizard or >> something. >=20 > I like the concept in general, but I have a few questions: >=20 > - Whatever is appended to init.el should IMO utilize custom. I think copy and pasting code would be more straightforward. Using = custom, whether by defining a custom theme or directly using customize = are more complicated. Plus I don=E2=80=99t know how to use custom for = key bindings. >=20 > - Does it, out of the blue, ask people to download software from the > internet? If so, it should say something to that effect. Yes. I can add that. >=20 >> I don=E2=80=99t know how useful could it be, since nowadays every = body >> (understandably) starts with some community distribution rather than >> vanilla Emacs, but surely it is better than not having a wizard. >=20 > That's untrue. Not sure which part do you mean, but I won=E2=80=99t argue :-) >=20 >> "=F0=9F=A7=99: Here are some packages that I always install:\n\n") >> ;; Ivy. >=20 > Is it really okay to encourage all users to install a set of packages? > If they are really so useful, they should be part of Emacs itself. As I said, if the package seems to be =E2=80=9Cofficial=E2=80=9D, I can = name it yuan=E2=80=99s-setup-wizard instead. And I have no intention to = come up with an official setup wizard and make everyone agree on the = provided options. Those are my recommendation, not Emacs=E2=80=99. = (Maybe I can add some text that make it clear that the recommendations = are personal.) I really want to add ivy because personally I can=E2=80=99t use Emacs = comfortably without a =E2=80=9Cmodern=E2=80=9D completion package, be it = ivy, helm, selectrum, or whatever. > Also, I don't think the Emoji are necessary (or desirable): some users > do not have fonts installed, or terminals available that capable of > displaying them. They are automatically replaced by text if Emacs can=E2=80=99t display = them. Yuan=