From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Jan D." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Default Emacs keybindings (was: Re: Menu suggestion) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 15:26:44 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <5C656B28-9785-11D8-ACD7-000D93505B76@swipnet.se> References: <408CF39D.2000201@math.ku.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1082990209 7198 80.91.224.253 (26 Apr 2004 14:36:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 14:36:49 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 26 16:36:36 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BI7Do-0007a8-00 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 16:36:36 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BI7Dn-0002LM-00 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 16:36:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BI70y-0005eU-GX for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 10:23:20 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BI6dR-00006o-5t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 09:59:01 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BI6aM-0007ic-PZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 09:56:25 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.54.107.70] (helo=mxfep01.bredband.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BI69H-0007nh-Ek for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 09:27:51 -0400 Original-Received: from coolsville.localdomain ([213.112.109.21] [213.112.109.21]) by mxfep01.bredband.com with ESMTP id <20040426132750.FCRR9130.mxfep01.bredband.com@coolsville.localdomain>; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 15:27:50 +0200 In-Reply-To: <408CF39D.2000201@math.ku.dk> Original-To: Lars Hansen X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:22173 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:22173 > If the second choice is made, Emacs code and manuals probably have to > support different key binding sets, since the "Emacs standard" and > "MacOS/MS Windows/Gnome/KDE consensus" are so far apart and > conflicting. I know it is an enormous task to implement this fully, > but I see no real choice (apart from 1). > > I my dreams Emacs has these menu entries: > > Options->Key bindings->Emacs Classic > ->MS Windows > ->Modify current bindings I would like to add to this menu, "Mac bindings", since undo/cut/copy/paste is not done with C-z/C-x/C-c/C-v, on Max OS X. The Apple key is used instead of the control key. The Apple key is now mapped to Meta in Emacs on Mac OS X, so it is a bit different change from Unix or MS Windows. Also, many applications on Mac OS X does handle C-a, C-e, C-f, C-p and so on the way Emacs does. For example, the mail application on Mac OSX, where I write this, does scroll forward on C-v and handles movement the Emacs way (at least C-f, C-b, C-e, C-a, C-p and C-n). So does the default text editor. Jan D.