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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:232529 Archived-At: >> No. I suppose you have set 'w32-grab-focus-on-raise' to nil so you >> won't see this behavior. > > Yes, it's nil. (Not that I even remembered what > that variable is or does, or when I set it to nil.) > > However, I see the same behavior even if I set the > var to `t'. Eli noted the same. Strange. > In my case, no doubt due to something > else in my setup, the focus stays where I left it, > in the *scratch* frame. Eldoc puts its msgs in the > minibuffer frame (in the echo area, presumably), and > focus stays put, in *scratch*. This sounds a bit like focus redirection. I'm not so familiar with that. > However2: With the variable = t things are really > annoying outside of Emacs! > > E.g., while typing this mail in Outlook (not Emacs), > Eldoc (?) keeps periodically sending the window-mgr > focus to the Emacs *scratch* frame (not to the > minibuffer frame - again, no doubt due to my setup), > so text I try to type into Outlook ends up in > *scratch*. That's creepy weird. This must be related to your setup, some timer maybe. > I'm not familiar with that variable, and I don't > really make much, if any, real use of Eldoc, but > if other users also find Eldoc periodically stealing > focus from other window-mgr windows and redirecting > it to some Emacs frame I'd think that would be quite > annoying. (Has anyone reported that?) > > Good thing I have it set to nil, I guess. Maybe. I cannot see any of the behavior you describe here. martin