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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247857 Archived-At: > On Apr 22, 2020, at 12:45 PM, Stefan Monnier = wrote: >=20 >>> 1: VsCode offers on the home screen an option to click on what = languages >>> you want to install support for. This offers a nice one-click shop = for >>> language packs. This, I guess is the same behaviour that = Doom/Spacemacs >>> offers with their layers etc. In Emacs we often have to install >>> lsp-client, lsp-server, language mode, company, adjust company = backends. >>> It would be nice to have emacs install all of the above = automatically >>> when clicking on Python, JS and such. >>=20 >> Agreed. Stefan has a proof-of-concept package named `gnu-elpa' that >> does exactly this, and it would indeed be nice if Emacs had that. >=20 > Hmm... no I don't have something that does exactly that. > It goes a bit in that direction, and I hope it can grow further, but > currently it doesn't do much more than prompt you to install GNU ELPA > packages which you attempt to use their features, so it doesn't prompt > users to install lsp servers or to enable company, ... >=20 >=20 > Stefan >=20 BTW, where can I find this package? Yuan